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I surmize both of you - Tommy and Cause & Effect, are children.
I define children as a college students of today who possesses
no knowledge of the Gulf War (hell you were 9 to 12 years old at
the time). Your knowledge and understanding learned only from
Left Wing, liberal, communist, America hating college professors.
The scourge of communism defeated (again when you were 9 or 12
years old) leaves you with no understanding as to what the
struggle was about.
*****
The following post (a repost), a creation of a Great friend of
the USA, an Italian Guy, rebuts, your American hating
statements. You possibly will learn something from this Italian
Man. Unlikely though, as you most probably see and hear only
what justifies your so wrong position.
I have copied this post from the archives and offer it to you. I
have no desire to start from scratch as our opinions are
available within the archives at the bottom of this page.
*****
From: an Italian guy
To: everybody interested
Subject: the so called "american terrorism"
Date: Sat Oct 27 16:41:18 2001
Message:
Your posting is the demonstration of how stupid are the
reasons of anti-American hatred. As you are going to
see soon, no inch of this planet has any right to hate
America but for questionable, or right stupid, or non
present, reasons. I think you and your fonts are VERY
biased and non objective. Uncle Sam was often a killer,
but almost never an assassin. Follows why.
You call EVERY U.S. military intervention "terrorism".
With the common use of this word, military actions for
legitimate purposes are not called like this. It's as
if you (and many others) don't know the difference
between war and terrorism.
You also recall historical events of the 19th century,
like the war against native-Americans and the niger
slaves trade, for blaming the today's U.S.A.. The
worst thing is that you're saying something like:
"such country was bombed by Americans, then it does
have a reason to hate them, too"; and like: "Americans
bombed Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan,
Japan, Vietnam, North Korea, Laos and Cambodia and
THEREFORE they are assassins".
YOU DO THINK LIKE AN IDIOT.
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You don't wont to consider
WHY they bombed Iraq,
WHY they bombed Lybia,
WHY they decided to nuke Japan,
WHY they bombed Sudan,
WHY they fought againsts communismus all over the
world, etceter.
Because they were bad, or bored?
You do even know, that Iraq was military attacked
because of Kuwait invasion and because Saddam
Hussein was trying to manifacture chemical weapons;
that the crisis with Lybia was caused from Gheddafi's
terrorist attacks in Germany (e.g. a bomb in a
discoteque in Hamburg, many boys and girls dead or
maimed "for the Arab cause", as Gheddafi said);
that the Sudan was bombed because manifacturing toxic
chemical substances for Bin Laden's terrorist attacks;
that Afghan was bombed as retaliation for Bin Laden's
terrorist attacks against american embassys and an
U.S. navy unit; that when Japan, Vietnam, North Corea
and Cambodia were bombed they were in war with the
U.S.A.;
that about Algeria you piece of idiot shouldn't even
talk, after the incredible and barbarous atrocities
the GIA did (or is still doing) same to other Arab
people there, in the name of Allah (as usual);
that, about IRAN, the U.S.A. had their reasons for
hating Khomeini's regime after the coward attack to
the American Teheran's embassy, and that's why they
supported Iraq in it's war against Iran;
that, about Cuba, the O.N.U. enforced the economical
sanctions for their anti-democratic communist regime,
for witch is responsible Fidel Castro;
that, about Iraq, if "two million of their children
have died from economic embargoes which are starving
the country to death right now" it's Saddam Hussain
guilty because he's refusing right now to show his
factories to the O.N.U. inspectors - and himself
doesn't give a damn for Iraqi dying children, the
power to threaten all the world with chemical or
atomic weapons is for him more important, as it
looks like;
that, still about Iraq, many Arab civilians died
because Saddam Hussain used them as hostages for
protecting his possible targets of bombings.
Then is THIS your thinking way, good thinker?? By
forgetting those important elements you don't want
to know?? It's easy, thinking like this. It's easy,
thinking: "Americans are the ferocious assassins
of the world, and Islamic people are all quite
innocent and rightous!".
You are "a typical self-brainwashed American".
An intelligent and right person uses his brain to
objectively discriminating right from unright
things, and AFTER THAT hates unright things. All
stupid people in the world (like you) just use
their brain for finding the way to illuse themselves
that their hatreds are justified, anyway and at
every cost.
Before calling yourself "good thinker" you'd better
learn and apply some concepts like logic and
objectivity.
And it's useless that you blame the Americans for
Israel's military actions. We're talking about the
U.S.A., now. Even if the U.S.A. support them,
Israelians act autonomously, and anyway either for
their direct survival, or for (eternal and
reciprocal) retailiations against Arab terrorist
attacks to them.
It's to observe as well what follows.
About the chasing away and the extermination of
many native Americans (that as far as I know were
about one million and not 25 million), and about
the niger slaves trade, these obviously were
giant crimes, but at least they're generally
admitted as such, now. About Japan, the atomic
bombs were a very tragical and extreme way to end
the 2nd ww, but on the other hand a direct assault
to Okinawa would have caused the death of maybe
more people.
About the bombings in Vietnam, Americans acted
with a very heavy hand; and the same did the CIA
by supporting dictatorships in Latin-American
countries (e.g. in the overthrowing of Allende's
regime, etc.); but on the other hand they also had
to do with another dirty play, the one of the
Soviet Union, and with the mighty threat of
communismus.
About the interests U.S.A. demands on loans
to countries, it's useless to blame the U.S.A.
for such a "demand", since those conditions
have been accepted from loan-contracting
countries (that have benefitted from such
loans anyway).
About American colonialismus, the colonial age
is finished since a long time.
About the "over hundred terrorist attacks on
U.S. targets" that were in 1994 in Latin
America, it's strange that the media didn't
talk; anyway, likely they will be a
consequence of the past CIA operations about
which I just told.
About pollution in general, you do know that
guilty is the whole world.
About the production in the athmospere of
ozone-spoiling gas, if Americans are the prime
responsible of it, they should indeed have to
answer for.
About Malcolm X' murder, it was a political
crime, for which the then responsibles should
have had to answer, too.
And for this do Americans deserve to get
"destroyed"??
You aren't considering, then, that America
also lost MILLIONS of soldiers by fighting
against the great nationalisms - do you
understand? MILLIONS of soldiers - in two
world wars;
that since the end of 2nd world war U.S.A.
contrasted communismus all over the world;
that they intervened in Yugoslavy against
the Serbs in favour of (Muslim) Serbo-Bosnians
because of pure justice and humanitary
reasons - what O.N.U. and European community
did never make the decision to do - and later
in favour of (Muslim) Albaneses, for the same
reasons; that U.S.A. are making NO terrorist
attacks, but only interventions as
retaliations to them or for preventing them;
that in their military interventions,
Americans are usually trying to hit as few as
possible civilians of the attacked countrys,
unlike the Islamic terrorists that right want
to kill as many as possible of them;
that in America's churchs no anti-Arab or
anti-Muslim hatred is preached, unlike the
mosquis of all Islamic countries, in which the
U.S.A. are referred to as "the enemy of all
Islam" and "the great Satan".
That's why people can't understand the reasons
of such an anti-American hatred by Muslim
countries, you fool.
And OF COURSE Americans are now asking why
they are hated, why??
If you want to criticise so much about
freedom in America, then compare the
American freedom and democracy, with freedom
and democracy in Islam, in Islamic culture
and mentality.
Yes, America harbors the worlds largest
jailed population, 2 million prisoners. Oh,
Afghanistan e.g. doesn't have such a big
problem at all. They sentence prisoners so
quickly to death. By hanging or
throat-slitting... But maybe you prefer THAT
culture, don't you? - Well, at least they don't
tell to be so freedom lovers....
(By the way, if you hate U.S.A. so much, if
you don't believe at all in the American
freedom or in the idea that America wants to
have about itself, if you even think America
should have to get destroyed, if you think
there you get brain-washed by the media, well
why do you stay there?)
Besides, if you're so convincted that the
whole world has real reasons for hating
America, did you wonder why are now getting
posted many messages here condamning Osama
Bin Laden, or in favour of American victims
of terrorism, from all over the world, and
in many languages? Why even some Muslims are
condamning last terrorist attacks? Why ALL
countries - even Islamic ones, even Russia
and China - but Afghanistan, either are on
the side of Bush or have taken a distance
from Bin Ladin? Why self many Afghanistan
people - surely most people, if we consider
also Afghan women - are against taliban
terrorists?
And do you know what is a real coward, you
pig? For example, the one who sits two
hundred miles off the coast of Saudi Arabia,
pushing buttons to shoot missiles at an Iraqi
target is NOT a coward, if this target is a
mad murderer; while the one who orders a
slaughter - that is no retaliation for
anything similar - of thousands of office
workers and some tourists, and after that
celebrates the happy outcome of his action
along with his friends, and then even says
it wasn't he, that is a BIG coward.
Still, you said a lot of foolish things in
your message - always as "obvious reasons"
for the anti-american hatred. Even "countless
atrocities and accounts of U.S. military
brutality are coming out of that island
(Puerto Rico) every day"?? I asked a history
teacher and looked for this question in two
enciclopaedyas; nobody had heard about such
"facts", and I've found no confirmation of
such every day coming out countless
atrocities. (October 1950 there was, yes, a
revolt for independence from U.S.A. that
ended in blood, but on the other side, short
later a complete indipendence was proposed
by Americans but 11-27-1953 a popular
referendum in Puerto Rico refused it).
About native Americans, instead, I've found
out that in the territory now occpied by
the U.S.A. they were about one million before
American pioneers' arrival, while you said
that they were 25 million and let understand
that Americans would have committed a giant
massacre of 20 million of Indian Americans.
In addition, you idiot said Indian American
were "completely wiped out" (?).
You wrote that 35,000 children die "every day"
due to hunger because of U.S. foreign
economic policy. I.e. 12,775,000 every year.
(Let's imagine that!)
You wrote "The righteous Muslims, as well as
all non-Muslim people who hate tyrrany and
oppression, declared war on the U.S. a long
time ago.". Well, the only one who declared
war on the U.S. a long time ago is Bin Laden,
who represents all the worst Muslims in the
world.
You are capable to call "tyranny and
oppression" even the war Americans are making
to Islamic terrorism.
About war in Bosnia you were capable to say
that the U.S.A. "imposed a lopsided arms
embargo on the Bosnian Muslims", when it was
imposed by O.N.U. and on both parts, and the
U.S.A. rather intervened right in favour of
Bosnians.
YOU ALSO USE EXAGERATIONS AND FAKE
INFORMATION for illusing yourselves to
rationalise your big anti-American hatred. You
and many others in this board want at every
cost see and let believe that Americans are
absolute and ruthless slaughterers, and are
only that. And after the recent terrisist
attacks you even allow yourself to say "the
U.S.A. are a justified target for the entire
world to destroy" - for such stupid or invented
reasons?. YOU AND ALL THOSE LIKE YOU MUST FEEL
ASHAMED of being so mean and unright. You are
stupids and truth-reversing scoundrels. With
those like you, people can reason no way. People
can just speak the only language you can
understand: the one of war and of death.
******
At the bottom of this page you will the archive links to
opinions presented here since Sept 11. Maybe you would care to
read and learn. Probably not though.
John
E pluribus unum
