Well--if you would read before shooting off your mouth--you 
would see you're firing your shit at your allies !!!!

We all are far from experts on all subjects.  But, I just would 
like to know how anyone, under the current circumstances, as we 
were just attacked, and further vicious attacks are on the 
horizon, why one would not seek out ALL the knowledge on the 
subject, - All the knowledge so as to just know what the hell is 
going on? Why they attacked? Who are they?  Why would they do it 
again?  Who's is and where did the Taliban come from?  Who is 
Usama bin Laden?  What is a Fundementalist?  What is Islam?  
What is Radical Islam?  

Usama bin Ladens mother is not a hooker in Mecca, you turd head 
ton of Florida.  Usama's birth mother is dead.  His stepmom, 
whom he phoned two days before the strikes is living very 
comfortably in Europe.

I can think of no other important subject matter to concern 
oneself with at this time.  Pick up a paper, a book, turn on CNN 
or Fox.  Don't make it up.  This jusy might be kind of important.


John
E pluribus unum.

You might want to target pratice at one "cool motherfucker"
who posted earlier.

go up the board about thirty hours and you'll know where we 
are from

In fact---go back six weeks---way before you posted on this 
board !!!

Nice chastisement of a complete ignoramus. Seeing posts 
from self-righteous, pompous morons makes me sick, but 
your reply to Care had me cracking up. 

For anyone else out there who has something as stupid to 
say as what was posted by "Care?". Stop, turn off the 
computer, then go play in traffic.

You pop in here for a few minutes from your $6 an hour job. You 
refuse to read the board to know what's been discussed and who 
is who, posting what.  You offer nothing but a repeat 
performance of the same old dribble.  You post the same old "far 
from original" dribble over and over again, like this I copied 
from your last post:

"i will say it again  we have to kill at least 4500 more rag 
headed pig eating piss drinking  fuckers...     the people of 
the mid east  must DIE...  do you agree with me or not..."

You have clue zero what sentence structure is or where the 
period goes.

Then you ask this room (or me) to side with you.  Yeah right.  
Go to bed, you gotta get up to flip the burgers in couple hours.

John
E pluribus unum

go back on this board---read the shit posted by "the sunday 
press" and one buttfuck called "spectator"(who I'm pretty 
sure they had a talk with the FBI)
Then you'll know where to aim your "gun"

This is about oil and gas, and money, and who wants it.  
Saudi Arabia has the oil and money, Bin Laden wants it. The 
US gives Saudi Arabia the money, and gets the oil to run its 
economy.  (ride your bike or walk, simple solution to the 
problem.)  Saudi Arabia invests heavily in US stocks and 
bonds, yet teaches its people that the US is evil so that the 
king can stay in place.  Saudi Arabia wants to take over the 
US.  The king uses the US to give his people an enemy 
besides himself.  Bin Laden wants to be king.  He uses the 
US to destabilize Saudi Arabia so he can take it over and get 
the money.  

So I guess you know what should be done...

Thanks for noticing, I enjoyed your thoughts was well.

It usually does result in humor, when one takes pacifism to its 
end game - some people just need a graphic thought to help them 
fully understand the completeness or lack thereof of there 
idealistic thoughts. [ for example - Care? - kinda like that 
puke rock pimp in Britian whos more concerned with dead whales 
than Americans ] [ yes I know for sure he's lost and represents 
NO one in the great country of Britain - other than his ASS ]

However, your latest post would insinuate that combustion engine 
vehicles exist in countries OTHER than the US ...??? Im so 
confused....  I thought we were the only ones using up all the 
fossil fuels?


Well I'll be a jihiddin Sumbitch ... you mean to tell me there's 
cars over there in those european countries over there?  Well 
them fuckers be telling me they dont need no fossil fuels, us 
simpleton rednecks ova here are just plain tuckered out figgerin 
this complex shit out.

We better call our conscience ... quick!

Significant contributor exhausted.  This is what it looks like 
ton.

Quote from:

"Once again, we are trying to protect the WHOLE world from 
murderers and criminals because nobody else can do anything but 
talk and put on a facade of peace."

Op-ED of 'exhausted' in entirety 8 posts above.

J
E...

In fact---here's one of my favorite post on this board:

I am the average American.....

I'm the guy who sends you grain when your crops fail, and 
drinking water when your rivers,streams, and lakes dry up.

I'm the guy who sends hordes of rescue personnel, trucks, 
and 
helicopters to aid you when you suffer earthquakes, floods, 
and 
mudslides.
 
I'm the guy who sends in my sons and daughters to "keep 
the 
peace" when you can no longer do so.
When those relief workers ration out that rice- I probably 
helped pay for it by working some dirty job that I really hate.

When that UH-60 Blackhawk hoists your parents to safety 
from the 
roof of your flooded house, it's because I paid for it with my 
U.S. tax-dollars.

When those PeaceCorp members dig that irrigation ditch to 
help 
your little farming village, it is with my backing and my 
blessing. And when your neighbor threatens you and your 
way of 
life, more often than
not it is I who will stand up and make him back down.

But I weep today....
I weep for thousands of fellow Americans whom I will never 
know...
I weep for hundreds of brave firemen, policemen, and 
paramedics 
who perished while heroicically doing their duties...
I weep for 244 airline passengers who never reached their 
destinations...

Saddest of all...I weep with the knowledge that I will forever 
be looking over my shoulder...

I weep for innocents lost...
I weep for innocence destroyed...
I weep for naivete' shattered...

But soon I will weep no more...
I will dry the tears from my eyes...
I will wipe my runny nose...
I will tighten my belt, and lace up my boots..
And I will sharpen my knife...
I will dry my powder...
and I will oil my weapon..

And as I do so, I will look, and I will listen..
I will note the kind word, the shared grief, the shocked 
condolences...
I will appreciate the support, and be ever grateful for any and 
all aid offered...
But I will also note the gloating, the laughter, the jeers, and 
the perverse joy...
And I will remember...

I am an American...
I am resourceful...
I am determined...
and I never forget..
Sleep well World, fore I will see you soon.

God shows infinite mercy, but trust in me that I will not....
Pass it on.....and God Bless America

UK PRESS TURNS BACK ON USA: MIRROR DECLARES 'THIS WAR IS A 
FRAUD' 

The tide of international media opinion is dramatically turning 
against the US-led War on Terrorism if Monday headlines in 
London prove any indication.

"THIS WAR IS A FRAUD" splashes the MIRROR [circulation 
2,149,422] in large font Page Ones. 

"The war against terrorism is a fraud. After three weeks' 
bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in the attacks on 
America has been caught or killed in Afghanistan," rips the 
paper. 

'CRITICS OF WAR TACTICS TURN UP THE HEAT ON US" leads the 
FINANCIAL TIMES.

"BLOODY SUNDAY PROVES A TEST FOR US RESOLVE" headlines the 
INDEPENDENT. "The US government insisted yesterday that its 
Afghan campaign was going according to plan, despite repeated 
bombing errors including the killing of seven children as they 
ate breakfast at home in Kabul."

"BOMBING MAY STOP FOR RAMADAN AS SUPPORT FOR WAR FALTERS" fronts 
the DAILY TELEGRAPH.

Murdoch's TIMES jabs "a 'three-week wobble' over the direction 
of the conflict."

Give me a 4.53 in the quater mile funny car !!!!

11th time championship NHRA
Go Johnny Go !!!  

Ms. Teller,   I must believe you may be stuck in time.  This is 
not about oil.  The Gulf War was about oil.  Hello, it's 2001 
not 1991.  This war is about a group of terrorist who attacked 
the United States of America killing 5000 of our beloved 
citizens.  For you to state otherwise (for oil), is an insult to 
the families of the victims.  

To say "ride your bike or walk is a simple solution to the 
problem", is an outright nonsensical statement deserving all the 
ire I can muster in your direction.

You say: "Saudi Arabia wants to take over the US."
What nutball planet are you from?

I would continue but, I just realized I must be particularily 
upset today to even waste one single moment of my time 
correcting you.  Better I marry the ketchups in my fridge.

John
E pluribus unum

we feed the world. we help, we give and we are looked at like 
so much shit. people from all over this planet come to the us to
have education. we teach them with open arms. we pay them while 
they are here. when the us needs help it's fuck you american 
assholes. they burn our flag with the same hands they take our 
money, food, education and our freedom. 

YOU SUCK U SICK FUCK !!!!!!!

Do you think it's  coincidence that islam rules the poorest, most uneducated, brainwashed, 
and racist countries in the world. 
It promotes intolerance and war on their poor backs. 
Just find out where holy wars are fought today. 
We only now realize what Putin was putin' up with in Chechnia. 
Streams of western money flowing indirectly to people and places screwed up and 
dumb enough to believe anything. 
We have to stop dealing with them, get our resources from elsewhere together with 
Russia, China, India . 
Start developing parts of the world that deserve to be developed.
Of the multi-billion dollar restoring plans, let's invest some more, even a whole lot in clean 
fuels and hydrogen energy, yes even for relatively safe and very small power plants 
instead of huge vulnerable ones. 
It coult take us a lot further, selling the technology later.
But first extinct the direct threats and anything or anyone that has to do with them. 
The mere gesture of condoleances to the US from Saddam Hussein should have earned 
him a 50 million dollar reward on his head.
And let us keep our brains together about who are the bad guys here, we all know. 

well, the odds would be better than even, as their teams 
certainly don't use their field for cricket practice...

I saw an interview w/ bin Laden's soon to be ex sister-in-law.  
She stated that he fears being captured--if push comes to shove, 
he wants to die; think he should be accomodated?  Not I.  Take 
him alive; give him a coed jury and a woman as the prosecuting 
attorney...

I agree with almost every thing in Eagle's response to Weak 
Viking.
But I think in Europe we still have a problem; we have too many 
separate countries, prime-ministers, and political parties all 
over and that is why the Europeans as a whole are extremely 
disoriented. 
This should be a time to stand together, not as 12 countries, 
but as one, the problem is that untill the United States of 
Europe have not become e reality yet, being united is, 
unfortunately, impossible. This is also why most of us Europeans 
do not understand the American sense of Patriotism, some 
countries like Holland are patriotic in a somewhat 
folkloristical manner which concerns the Royal Family, but a 
country like Italy for example, knows no patriotic behavior at 
all; the only place you can see the Italian flag is at football 
(soccer)- matches and pizza places. 
The delays of not being one great Europe yet, together with that 
of not having found a worthy alternative of oil might prove to 
be a big problem in the war against terrorist-loving islamics. 
Someone said that the Taliban students are well-educated. This 
is not true.
The Talibs are the students of the Coran; the Taliban movement 
is however is mostly a bunch of tough ignorants, even Omar was 
elevated to the rank of mullah just because of military 
accomplishments. He founded the movement, but he did not finish 
school himself because of the Russian invasion in '79.
The only thing I do not agree with, Eagle, is that you say 
Americans are sick of all the help they are giving in the world.
I am sure most Americans,on the contrary, are proud of that.
    

Well said to Missin' and *A*, and others that I do not know!  Hi 
ya cuzz!  Semper Fi!!!

Spy?  I have to ask!  You have implied that you are in New 
York ... but, were you living in Virginia a few years back?  Can 
you say Quantico for a job site?  If so, your ignorance shines 
here, and I am ashamed to think I might have met you and even 
actually know you!!!! :-(((

For the one(s) that sent me this link?  Thank you!  But this 
vitriolic wasteland is not for me, at this time.  Enjoy 
yourselves!  But I will remain blissfully blind to the hate that 
shines here.  :-(  It seems a good place to burn it all out.

I don't think I'm gay, but let me ask my 
girlfriend, & I'll let you know when I get up. Is your 
philosophy that anyone who can use words longer than four 
letters is gay? Then I think that you are calling everyone on 
this board gay. Stop attacking people. Think of things to say 
about the situation. This board is not about John, EagleEye, or 
anyone else. It is about Sept. 11 & the aftermath. We understood 
that you want 6000 dead. If you think of anything new to say, 
then let us know.

P.S If you are really hung up on killing Moslems, then enlist 
for the army. I think general of the Cannon-Fodder brigade would 
be an ideal position for you.

In response to your arguments about Europens, 
have you ever considered this one? Europeans are like the 
Ancient Greeks, & Americans like the Ancient romans. The Greeks 
go over to Rome proclaiming their moral & intellectual 
superiority, but they are still begging for jobs, because thier 
empire was pretty much finished & the Roman empire was the 
greatest in the world.

But not of the civilians.  your argumentation is good, but hasnt 
anything with my consern to do. . . If you scream kill kill 
afghans and let your hate go to those not implemented, you are 
fighting osama & co cause, to kill more innocent, thats the 
ecxact reaction he has calculated with. .: Yihaaa Osama says. 
Ohh they are so stupid hihihihihi. Theyre killing theire own and 
its me their after. hehe  The people we should be fighting 
against should not be our own. The cause can only be fought in 
our minds. And that fight is hatred and fear. Thats the real 
fight of the 21st century.  

Then you would probably bomb the shit out of our country as well.
(IRONICLY MENT)I believe that the money help America and other 
western countrys give coutrys in the 3 world. supports 
fundamentalistic groups, many helping organisations has lately 
been found guilty in terrorism support. corruption is probably 
the reason. And it spreads all around. Either way you dont go 
around bragging about aid, thats like sticking your hand up the 
worlds asshole just to check if you can get anything more out of 
it. i sure dont. Nobody really gave a shit. until the 
unbeliavable happend. I fear for Usa's/britains safety. What 
could we do if osama suddenly nuked N.Y, or London?. WE WOULD BE 
TOTALY FUCKED! We gotta get those fckers now! And if we dont do 
it right i can almost guaratee you that the deth toll will be 
higher than any tragedy ever. We talk about WW3 here with 
everyone nuking each other til its nothing left

"The only thing I do not agree with, Eagle, is that you say 
Americans are sick of all the help they are giving in the world.
I am sure most Americans,on the contrary, are proud of that."

First off - I didnt intend to sterotype ALL European people into 
the "enlightened, elitst" group, who feel they are the ones who 
should dictate world action(s) - thru their superior worldly 
experience, and intellectual prowess.  When in fact their 
country is as or even more fornicated than the USA. To add to 
that, their world history record is typically the antithesis of 
what they alledge americans should be.  I just find amazing 
hypocrisy with that.  Im not so naive that the USA is perfect - 
we fuck up all the time - but typically for the right - not 
wrong reasons.

Secondly, I did not mean to communicate that Americans are sick 
of giving "anything" to people around the world.  We're sick of 
giving away - then from the same people receiving the aid, 
assistance etc .. that we're big bullies, we dont care, we're 
money and war mongers..... the list of derogatories goes on and 
on.

Thanks  SPY for putting the twat in her place. I dont believe 
this is the forum for talking such shit when we have to fear for 
our very lives from all the shit that is going on with out 
country.  I just got up and had a dream that I hugged Mayor 
Giuliani and we both had tears in our eyes. Now, I am making my 
oatmeal and big pot of coffee.  I guess I will have to brew more 
for Spy, John, Eagle,etc.  but no cigarettes pals.  Also, I just 
had a very productive bowel movement.  High fiber is really the 
way to go peeps.  I feel that the ANTHRAX shit is coming from 
some of laden's cells still here in the country.  Dammit to 
hell, we should have public executions for PROVEN laden's people 
right here in the good ole USA.  I know many people that lost 
loved ones in the WTC.  Such a goddamned shame.  These fuckers 
arenot FIT to be called animals as animals are more civilized 
than these sand niggers.

There can only be one answer to these atrocities.
Strike back hard and effeciently, and with as little risk as possible (so strike big).
There can be no sign of hesitation.
The criticism in the european press on these strikes comes from 60's relics, who see 
themselves as defenders of democracy but don't actually understand the vigor it will take 
to maintain it.
Whoever is behind this -and anyone with them- should be taken out, no support or 
excuses should be accepted.
This has to be finished effectively and with all necessary means, no discussion about that 
here at Radio Europe.

But then, maybe Europe has to take a big blow first, so she'll finally wake up to the call of 
its guests and collegues of the likes of Atta...

Spy, don't equate tree-huggers with pacifism!  I've got 8 
gorgeous trees in my front yard and I'll kick the living crap 
out of anyone who threatens them! :)  They're not just 
decorations, they're part of my America.

Eagle, thanks for posting those headlines up there.  I was 
driving for a couple of hours last night and happened to hear a 
lot of the Drudge Report.  I'm not a DrudgeHead, but he's good 
to listen to from time to time.  He had Monday's headlines from 
Britain that Eagle posted and was ranting about them for a 
while, and I was flabbergasted.  The Mirror (London) evidently 
has around 2 million readers, and according to some people is 
more of a tabloid like America's National Enquirer (which I 
don't read, except in the store to keep up on the latest 
adventures of Bat-Boy!), but I'm not even sure about that.  I 
think Drudge said the Mirror has 2 million readers, and is not a 
government paper.  That was kind of a relief, because I 
personally think that Tony Blair rocks.

If there are any Brits on this board, please let me know why the 
press in the U.K. is verbally shooting the U.S. down, if you 
happen to know the answer to that.  I remember where I was and 
what I was doing when Princess Di was killed, and cried for an 
hour because I thought it was an incredible loss to the entire 
world.  I have since made many online friends in Britain and 
elsewhere in Europe.  The reaction in London to the 9/11 attacks 
on the U.S. was so moving, and I was proud to be associated with 
that country.  I think Tony Blair reacted more powerfully and 
more resolutely to our situation than even Bush did.  I would 
have followed that man around anywhere to fight beside him, 
because to me Tony Blair showed me the meaning of a True Man, 
not a whole lot of hot air but someone who moves to action on 
the side of justice.  I have seen so much support of the United 
States from the U.K. in the past month.  Why is the press there 
now berating our military action?  

Did the reporters hear NOTHING that we have said about this 
war?  Did they not understand that this would be a long and 
primarily covert process?  They are focusing on the handfull of 
Afghani civilians that were caught in the crossfire and killed, 
rather than the more than double number of Christians slain in a 
church??  They are blatting on about how we haven't managed to 
arrest any of the men implicated in the terrorist attacks in the 
past MONTH when we have sifted through thousands and thousands 
of leads EVERY DAY since the attacks here in the states, and 
have made nearly a thousand arrests to that end, and are working 
with countries around the world to weed out the evil ones while 
still trying like HELL to keep freedom alive in the world???  
We're pretty talented in America, but even still it's not so 
easy to sift through 4 billion people in a month.  Excuse us for 
being so freakin slow.

Somebody please do me a favor the next time they're at one of 
these tabloids in Europe who are trying to play the parents 
against each other - go smack around some editors for me for 
spewing trash.  I'll keep hoping that these newspapers don't 
speak for the entirety of England, but rather a minority that do 
not include my own friends there.  The Queen needs to start 
issuing royal spankings to her wayward children.  And if the 
majority of the island agrees with those papers, just send us 
Tony Blair and I'll be happy enough.

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyterror.html

R.E., you must have that handle because you feel you have access 
to some news in Europe.  Can you please explain to me WTF is 
going on over there???

Thank you.

Spy, some of your posts are excellent to read.  However, I would 
VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT if you would kindly restrain yourself 
from verbally bashing any U.S. Marines, former or present.  They 
are my personal heroes.  Somehow I doubt you'd ever do that 
intentionally... you seem to be very patriotic, and maybe you 
didn't notice that QueEs is a Marine.

Semper Fi, Brave Ones.  Go kick some terrorist ass.

"Then you would probably bomb the shit out of our country as 
well.(IRONICLY MENT)"

Did you really EVEN think that for an ioda? All irony or sarcasm 
aside.  How perposterous, and inane is that ?  What is up with 
you?  I have no problem you lambasting US, as long as you 
provide at least a sentence or two or a link to factual 
information to back up your smack talk.

"I believe that the money help America and other 
western countrys give coutrys in the 3 world."

Well, from the information we're getting so far - its the 
enlightened european countries where these cells have had their 
best success in thriving/functioning.  Did it ever occur to you 
that maybe european nations have in-advertantly "funded" this 
crap.  How does it feel to know that these cells have been 
leeching off your societies, taking your welfare, using your 
commerce systems and other such things - diverting educational 
resources, medical treatments, etcetera from worthy peoples who 
deserve it - stealing from the deserved for hatred, terror, 
murder, slaughter, right under all the enlightened noses.

Maybe - just maybe the majority of their money comes from your 
countries - not ours. Maybe we gave them money - mistakenly, or 
maybe it was insignificant to the amount they make off their 
drug trade with your countries combined - who's to say?

Point is ... yeah, maybe we're fucked up maybe we're a lot of 
things, but maybe you need to look in the mirror first before 
casting your aspersions towards the US.  Your nations arent 
lilly white in this shit fucking mess either.

Well John, maybe nows a decent time to refute your earlier 
assertion that you doubt my reading of my favorite turd eating 
US traitor - Noam Chomsky.

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyterror.html

Go here on an empty stomach only please.

Everyman ... ok lets pretend shall we - as that seems to be what 
Chomsky followers do best in their little dream worlds devoid of 
reality.

[pretend feature ON]

I bow to your vastly superior beleifs and deep intellectually 
centered understanding of the world, its inhabitants, and 
political complexities.  Only you elite few have the brainpower 
needed to solve this terror conflict.  I step aside and divert 
to your way of thinking.  Dreaming of socialism is so fun isn't 
it?

Now what?

All right, men, can't stick around any longer this morning.  
Gotta get to work and serve my country ... the Adult 
Entertainment Industry needs me! :)  Y'all have a nice Monday, 
and thanks for letting me hang out here for a while.

Good morning!  I'm off to read it. I have a good idea what I'll 
find, certainly-probably-exactly what you found.  I'll be back.

What percentage of Taliban extremist supporters from Pakistan 
have crossed over the border so far?  This required hold & wait 
stance by us is seemingly making for some media support 
fallout.  This negative reporting ain't about collateral damage 
(innocents).  It's about "no new news" to report.  Remember the 
media motto - "If there ain't news, make news."

John
E pluibus unum

"Did it ever occur to you 
that maybe european nations have in-advertantly "funded" this 
crap." 
Yes it has. There are groups all over the world. In the US, 
Europe, every where and thats why it wont help to hate the 
muslims or afghans. Because they are not solely behind it. It 
wouldnt wonder me if we soon found out that corruption was one 
of the main causes why Osama suceed in the wtc attacks., 
Finally, were not any better here down North. But then again I 
never said so. Opposed to what some Americans are doin.  

The european press, dear, are leftish at best and extremely critical of any action taken by 
their goverments whatsoever. 

They spend their precious texts steering clear of anything that reaks of something that 
MIGHT sound like conflict or discrimination . 

You see, after some weeks a colour photo of a wounded Afghan child on the cover of a 
newspaper moves people more than the smouldering leftovers of the WTC (regardless 
of the number of innocent deaths and the amount of misery done).

Hence the idea that fighting any war equals unjust violence or discrimination, even if it is 
being fought for a just cause.
This goes for the rest of Europe as well. At the same time, however, we try to be as 
cautious and diplomatic as possible to even the most sickest of regimes. 

We have a tradition of that kind of policy, being softliners at best. 
That's how the second worldwar started; by not recognising evil in the first place and 
reacting aptly.

Therefore nothing is clear in Europe as it is in your country. 
Therefore we tolerate people dancing and singing in our streets after the WTC bombing 
and prefer not to talk about it publicly. 
Therefore we see people on our TVs explaning us WE "made" these terrorists by our 
attitude and "degenerated behaviour".

Here at Radio Europe, we did not forget a civil case before a court in Bavaria some years 
ago: imagine a catholic school that's been taken to court by muslims, because it has 
crucifixes hanging in its' classrooms and they want those taken out...

Imagine what it must be like, to be old here in Europe, having indeed survived the 
second world war and maybe even fought in it.  And probably being grateful to the USA 
for coming in here.
You were young, you got your life back from them, your freedom and now you're having 
to put up with this crap.

  

Well Mr. Eagle,  Certainly the left has spoken.  Certainly these 
spoken words serve only to derail US policy of present and 
past.  Certainly much is fabrication or at a minimum expanded 
theory.  And certainly his agenda is viewable for all reasonable 
to see.  Of course like all viewpoints, some must be based on 
(some) factual evidence.  Much stated is true, unfortuanately.  
I, like most, care not to admit to oneself, the nation, or the 
world, the truthfulness of.  Do know, I personally disagree with 
Chomsky on most points.  What Chomsky dutifully fails to mention 
(as that would expose him for what he is) is our motive each 
time we acted.

An exercise of futility it would be for me disparage his words 
point by point, as he has so little support, today anyway.  I 
will utilize just a portion of truth to focus on our long term 
policy, hoping now it will be transform to medium term. 

As copied from Chomsky's speech:

--- if you look at say at the New York Times at the first op-ed 
they ran by Ronald Steel, serious left liberal intellectual. He 
asks Why do they hate us? This is the same day, I think, that 
the Wall Street Journal was running the survey on why they hate 
us. So he says "They hate us because we champion a new world 
order of capitalism, individualism, secularism, and democracy 
that should be the norm everywhere." That's why they hate us. 
The same day the Wall Street Journal is surveying the opinions 
of bankers, professionals, international lawyers and saying 
`look, we hate you because you are blocking democracy, you are 
preventing economic development, you are supporting brutal 
regimes, terrorist regimes and you are doing these horrible 
things in the region.' A couple days later, Anthony Lewis, way 
out on the left, explained that the terrorist seek 
only "apocalyptic nihilism," nothing more and nothing we do 
matters. The only consequence of our actions, he says, that 
could be harmful is that it makes it harder for Arabs to join in 
the coalition's anti-terrorism effort. But beyond that, 
everything we do is irrelevant.---

There is some truth here.  Which is it we promote?  The answer 
is both.  We suport the freedoms of Democracy in the region.  
And we support the blocking of democracy solely for stable oil 
shipment.  Unfortunately TRUE.

Saudi et al governments truly do suppress their populations, and 
we support them.  We do want and silently support democracy for 
them, but not at the cost of our freedom and our way of life.  
An alternative to the combustion engine will go a long way to 
freeing this part of the worlds population.  Many years away 
probably, but it will come to be.

John
E pluribus unum

John, did you like the AMERICAN BADASSES site? Will you be going 
back there?  Nice to see you there.  Sorry for cursing you out, 
but I am so filled with rage at all this shit...

No Prob

Cool site.  I've been popping in.

I still don't know quick way of getting there other than my 
favorite link.  For those wanting to visit, go 
to:  "www.Lycos.com"  and type in "AMERICAN BADASSES" 

John
E...

Please show me where I bashed the marines .
I'm sure somehow you misunderstood or missread my 
post.

Thanks---we'll talk after you return from work.
Have a good day. :-)

Taliban reporting thousands of wild rabid dogs roaming streets 
of Kabul, biting people.  No vaccine available.              .

.          Even the animals have turned against these evil men.

John
E...

I love trees and all the blessings that God put on this earth.
I used that term(like others have) in the sense of 
"green-peace" radicals & peacenics--etc.
They hide behind trees---want the tree to take the 
bullet---don't want to fight for the good ol' U.S.A.---
they think the war on terrorism is fought and won by picking 
flowers and shoving 'em down gun barrels-----they'll only 
end up pushin' up flowers.

Animals know good & evil----.

We are searching high and searchin low, 
we will follow your tracks wherever you go
You cannot hide for ever you know
We will EVEN track you down in a blinding snow
and when we find you , please be assured
that we will bring you down you slithering turd.

We shall  make you pay for for what you've done.
You will never see another afghani sun.
As for the innocent lives that have been lost
It was YOUR JIHAD, AT ANY COST!

First, I gotta say to everyboy, I aint no hard guy, but I feel 
that we should have special designated smoking areas on this 
message board.  I have been having to deal with a lot of your 
chain smoking and the fumes are very irritating to me.  I only 
cum on here because I love you PRO USA people but the fact is, I 
am tired of some of you trying to grub cigarettes from me and 
ALWAYS having to buy the fucken coffee for the group.  
Goddammit,  I gotta buy the fucking Eight O CLock ground coffee, 
all the half and half which you people are guzzling by the 
gallons and not to mention the finger sandwiches and stella dora 
cookies.  Like I said, I aint no hard guy, but I am tired of 
people on this board grubbing cigarettes from me and people oout 
on the streets.  I DONT SMOKE ANYMORE and please make sure you 
are sitting near a window or in a smoke free room as the 
accumulated smoking from all of you makes me cough.  I aint no 
hard guy, but JOHN, you of all goddamned people should bring 
some of the eats once in awhile.  Make a hero sandwiches and 
Eagles and especialy YOU Spy should contribute as well.  I know 
this is not war related but I do think that you should all be 
considerate of your fellow pro Americans on here.  I also want 
to comment that DONALD TRUMP has not been heard from.  Has this 
cocksucker given a dime to New York?  Fucken imperialistic pig.  
Okay everybody go back to posting.  Just had to get a few things 
off my chest.  Also, someone on here is an alcoholic,  I am not 
naming any names but the BEER BREATH is also offensive as well.  
I feel management has done a fairly good job, but feel that if 
you are drinking or doing any dope you should wait until sober 
to post.  I LOVE ALL USA BUDDIES OUT THERE!   OVER AND OUT.

John;

I knew your big fat turd butt couldn't even fit on a bike, so the 
suggestion is this.  Let's take over Saudi Arabia and get all 
the oil we want.  We'll just send the Saudis over to Iraq to get 
gassed by AssDam HussiManiac.  

A little email I received:

[hope you enjoy]


During World War II, we had Tokyo Rose sending demoralizing 
messages to
our troops. During Vietnam, we had Hanoi Jane Fonda sending her 
treasonous
messages to our boys in Southeast Asia, while aiming the 
Communists'
cannons at them.

And in this War Against Terrorism, we have Congresswoman Cynthia
McKinney, D-Ga., - Jihad Cindy - to demoralize us and give aid 
and
comfort to the enemy.

McKinney has a strong record of hating America. During the 
recent U.N.
World Conference Against Racism, she attacked the U.S. with the 
rest of the
Arab world (now our "moderate" partners in the "Coalition Against
Terrorism") and Third World republics in her push for slavery 
reparations,
saying the
White House is "just full of latent racists."

But her latest set of actions are the most outrageous.

Take McKinney's pandering letter to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin 
Talal, in
which she apologized for the valorous actions of New York Mayor 
Rudy
Giuliani.  Talal, nephew of Saudi King Fahd, recently visited 
New York to
see the
World Trade Center remains and gave Giuliani a $10 million check 
for relief
efforts. Then, the prince released a statement full of moral 
equivocations,
rationalizing the murder of 6,000 innocent Americans and blaming 
U.S.
foreign
policy, "suggesting" it be changed.

It's hard to ignore a $10 million dollar suggestion, no matter 
how
ridiculous and immoral.

But not for the valiant Giuliani. In the highest act of moral 
and civic
courage, he promptly returned the check with a statement: "There 
is no
moral equivalent for this attack. The people who did it lost any 
right to
ask
for justification when they slaughtered 5,000, 6,000 innocent 
people ...
Not only are those statements wrong, they're part of the 
problem." Giuliani
is
an American hero.

Back to the American villainess. Last Friday, McKinney, in a 
ludicrous
letter, apologized to the prince for Giuliani's actions, accusing
Giuliani of denying the prince's "right to speak and make 
observations about
a part
of the world you know so well."

Huh?

Nobody denied the prince's speech rights - which nobody in his 
country,
Saudi Arabia, has, by the way. He made his statement without 
being tortured
to death, a la Middle-Eastern civil liberties.

But McKinney is right about one thing: The prince and his family 
know
that part of the world well - which is why, according to New 
York Times and
Wall Street Journal reports, there is significant evidence that 
the Saudi
government had their hands in the attacks and that they tacitly
continue to support Osama bin Laden through his family, which 
lives
comfortably in
Saudi Arabia and hasn't cut their brother off.

McKinney's letter was so disgusting, even her Georgia Democratic
colleague, Senator Zell Miller called it "disgraceful" and 
denounces her on
his
website.

Not only did McKinney agree with the prince's "remarks," but in 
her own
shameful moral equivocation, she attacked America because, "Your 
Royal
Highness, the state of Black America is not good." McKinney 
wrote,
"There are many people in America who desperately need your 
generosity,"
making
the false assertion that a black baby born in Harlem has a worse 
life
expectancy than one born in Bangladesh.

No, Cindy, America does not need Saudi "generosity." The Saudis 
need
ours - like the generosity we gave in the Gulf War, saving the 
prince's
shaky
monarchy from being exiled to a Swiss chalet, while his country 
became
a province of Iraq. And look what we've gotten in return - a 
royal slap
in the face, aided by Jihad Cindy. I guess McKinney forgot the 
life
expectancy
of blacks in the Muslim Arab world, including Saudi-aided Sudan, 
where two
million black Christians were savagely murdered and where 
millions more are
enslaved, tortured, maimed and raped.

McKinney's new buddy, Prince Alwaleed, is the sixth richest man 
in the
world, according to Forbes. Giuliani showed him that even the 
wealthiest of
scoundrels cannot buy respectability with their blood money. 
Unless
they're buying Congresswoman McKinney.

And her price is very cheap, apparently. She was the headliner 
at the
Oct. 7 fundraising dinner for the Council on American Islamic 
Relations, a
Muslim terrorist front group that has been hanging out with 
President Bush a
lot lately.

In exchange for her revered status with this and other radical 
Islamic
pro-terrorist groups, McKinney has attempted to stop 
congressional
investigations into them and the WTC attacks.

At an Oct. 3 House Committee on International Relations Hearing 
on
al-Qaida and the Global Reach of Terrorism, McKinney had a 
temper tantrum
when
Oliver "Buck" Revell testified. Revell, associate director of 
the FBI in
charge of Investigative and Counter-Intelligence Operations from 
1985-1991,
attempted to show segments of the 1995 documentary, "Jihad in 
America."

McKinney wanted to censor it, so that Americans watching on C-
SPAN
would not see evidence of the extensive Muslim terrorist network 
in America
documented in the film, including that of Islamic Jihad front-
man and
University
of South Florida Professor, Dr. Sami Al-Arian. No complaints 
from her
about denying Revell's right to speak.

We're in the middle of war. But atop her tax-funded website, 
alongside
a photo of her in leopard-print accents, are "news briefs," 
including
"COINTELPRO: The Untold American Story," an attack on the U.S., 
which
she and the Black Caucus presented to the U.N. World Conference 
Against
Racism.

Hello! - COINTELPRO took place under Nixon, three decades ago. 
And the
victims cited in this 78-page diatribe by America-hating 
leftists Noam
Chomsky and Howard Zinn are guys like Dhoruba Bin Wahad aka 
Richard
Moore, a Black Panther who machine-gunned police officers, and 
convicted
cop-killer Mumia Abu Jamal.

Echoing her friend, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan, 
whom
she's refused to denounce, McKinney's website demands evidence 
against Osama
bin Laden and the Taliban.

During wars in lands far away, Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane were bad
enough.  But now the war is on our homefront. And so is Jihad 
Cindy.

Fuck Her - Down with the Bitch

Couldn't drive to work today because I'm shaky and miserable.  
Bummer.  I love my job.

Anyway...

Radio Europe, thank you for your post.  It seems that 
sensationalism is not just a uniquely American experience.  I 
hope that tomorrow brings a more tempered fanfare of 
journalism.  I'd certainly like to see Britain's government's 
response to those papers (perhaps they've already responded - I 
haven't been to the online press sites yet).

Spy, it warmed my heart to see the sweeter side of you.  I'm 
glad you like trees, too! :)  I know what you mean about flower-
bearing pacifists (can anyone say Berkeley?), but then there are 
people like me, who would not only climb a tree to save it from 
being cut down, but also bring some SAMs up there with me to 
preserve the land it's planted in!  And hell, if I need to be on 
the front lines instead, I'll plant more later.  It's a matter 
of priorities and not simply being on one side of the tree or 
the other -- sometimes we can be on both sides.  But when it 
comes to certain situations (like this one), you won't find a 
pacifist bone in my body.

(By the way, my mom went to Berkeley college and I do have 
some "normal" friends who live there, so I'll try hard not to 
bash them too much!)

With regard to QueEs... here's part of his post from earlier:
From: Que Es 
To: Missin'. *A*, Spy 
Date: Mon Oct 29 04:33:13 2001 
Message:
Well said to Missin' and *A*, and others that I do not know!  Hi 
ya cuzz!  Semper Fi!!!
*******************************************
Later you told QueEs "Good Riddance"

HOWEVER....

I need to apologize to you, Spy, because I was thinking of the 
wrong person when I read the posts this morning.  I know who 
CUZZ is, who posted earlier (and how would anyone here know 
this), and I happen to know that he is a very goodhearted Marine 
(former).  I know who QueEs is, but I'm not sure if he was 
actually a Marine or not.  I saw "Semper Fi" up there and 
automatically associated it with CUZZ.  It may have been that 
QueEs was throwing that out as a respectful greeting to CUZZ, or 
it may have been two Marines sharing their greeting.  Please 
accept my apology for my error.  It's easy for me to get bitchy 
when one of our military is blown off, but this was my mistake.

Going to make myself some tea now...

Eagle, who wrote that piece you posted about Cynthia McKinney?  
Do you know?  I know you said it was an email you received, so 
perhaps you don't know.  If you can supply me with a source or a 
web site, I'd really appreciate it.  It looked like authentic 
info the way it was written, but it would be interesting to find 
out if it's absolute truth or if there is more to the story.  
It's just hard for me to believe that someone in any U.S. office 
would behave that outrageously.  And I think Mayor Rudy did the 
PERFECT thing by handing that check back.  There's another 
person who's way up on my Respect List.

P.S.
Justice USA, I'll make the coffee if you don't want to.  I make 
excellent coffee, nice and strong.  Congrats on quitting smoking 
(something I plan to do next month), but for now you're just 
gonna have to put a fan on your desk, 'cause I ain't moving.

A realy good muslim don't lie ---> Talibans lies at every word.
If you are a muslim read about  [3.78]  [9.107] [16.105] and 
their punishment is in [9.90], [9.107].

Talibans lies:
> We don't know where is bin ladin, it's a lie.
> Women are impure for muslim, it's a lie (read about curan!)
> bin ladin has no link with terrorism, it's a lie.
> Women are not equal for muslim, it's a big lie (read about 
curan)

The problem is not the curan the problem are mens and a culture 
that seems to have not evolve in 6000 years and some people that 
pervert the sense of religious books. 
To understand a book you must read and understand the whole, not 
a part of it.
If wou take a verse out of the context you can say that you want 
with it.

The letter that Jihide Cindy wrote to the Saudi prince is 
definately for real - it was read aloud on Larry Elders show 
weeks ago .... the pandering groveling traiterous "C" word 
[being that your a lady - minor restraint ...]

The other stuff - well the research is underway.  If I can fit 
that in - will advise - I doubt I will spend too much effort on 
the bitch.  Any POS linking themselves to the other fucking puke 
Chomsky - is a plain waste.

Nuff Said

Oh my virgin ears!
Ah am jus' blushin pure red, you rogue!

Took me a while to locate - my search terms on Asta LaVista were 
a bit off ......  I was trying to get something other than 
Timothy McVeigh and WACO/ATF|BATF rants.

Some things there were provocative.  Maybe when I get more time.

Justice,

In honor of that murdering swine bastard Usodoma bin Lucifer - I 
brought us American / Costco sized portions of the following:

BBq'd Pork Chops, Pork rhinds, Carnitas Tacos, Farmer John 
Bacon, and perfect Pork Loin prepared by Emeril - for the Towel 
e Baaaaam!

On the coffee side - Ive since denounced Arabica grinds - 
sticking solely to the South American blends now. Me no mo pay 
for Jihide.  Me and all my evil Amellican dolla shall be wiser.  
And I just returned all my Chineese made birthday gifts.

Me luv petrol tooo much to return that tho.

At 8:45, on the eleventh of September,
Started a tragidy, we all will remember.
    When cowardly terrorists, hijacked some planes,
What were hey thinking? Are they insane?
    The first crashed down, in New York City,
North Trade Center Tower, an immense atrocity!
    To add to it all, at 9:03,
The other tower was struck, for all to see.
    At 9:43, they they hit the pentagon,
Now all are thinking, whats going on?
    When 10am, came around,
Another plane, hit the ground.
    Southeast of Pittsburgh, was number four,
You fucking bastards! Now this means war!
    Back to New York, at Ground Zero,
People tried, to be a hero.
    But unfortunately, many died,
And friends and family, they all cried.
    So hees to you, Mr. Bin Laden,
You're gonna pay, no use in hidin'.
    

http://www.msnbc.com/news/649243.asp

------------------
Should Americans buy  Made in Pakistan  to be patriotic? That s 
the message some U.S. retail groups are pushing. Half of 
Pakistan s foreign trade goods are shirts, sheets, soccer balls 
and textiles, and many of that is exported to the United States. 
If U.S. companies backed out of Pakistan, fearing the current 
wartime climate, as many as 3.5 million Pakistanis could be put 
out of work, some trade groups have argued.
-------------------

So ... I wonder what happens when AMERICANS [ the warpigs, 
resource pigs - as some enlightened ones would call us ] start 
reading labels again ... looking for that ol familiar - "Made in 
the US of Fucking A"?

If it has this kind of effect on Pakistan ..... ohhh my - 
wouldnt all those economies just be sooooo peachy.

burn.burn.burn.....

Okay, feeling a little better and decided to check out the 
American Badasses board.  I don't think I've been to a message 
board community like that before, but I went ahead and got 
myself an account anyway.  Aside from the cool little pictures 
there (I especially liked Osama in a tutu), is there a 
particular thread that's more interesting or worthwhile to look 
at?  Unfortunately my computer is pretty slow, and I'm hoping 
for someone to lead me through the mud.

By the way, I discovered this is at www.ezboard.com and the 
board I.D. is bmomslettingloose, if that helps anyone.  I doubt 
this board lets us use HTML, but I'll give it a shot... <a 
href="http://pub56.ezboard.com/bmomslettingloose">American 
Badasses</a>

There are no previews here, so what I post is what I get.  Here 
is the URL I have for that place if the link doesn't work and 
you wanna copy and paste in your browser: 
http://pub56.ezboard.com/bmomslettingloose

Hey ... I just read an earlier post - I think I love your job 
too! Hehehe.  Pure entrepreneurship - what a great country eh?

Anyone got any thoughts or comments as to why we may not be 
blowing the living shit out of the front lines - with 100% 
ability.

Maybe we are, as John hinted, letting more suicide lovers of 
martyrdom come over from Pakistan to get slaughtered ... or 
perhaps the infra red guidance systems will work so much better 
against white blanketed background?

Don't wanna burst your bubble, Eagle, but I'm not actually *in* 
the adult industry (though it has been offered, ha!).  I'm an 
assistant administrator for a non-profit organization that 
supports and educates and tests (HIV, STDs, etc.) people who 
work in the industry, and even 'civilians' who aren't in the 
industry but who are engaging in risky behavior.  But I'm 
looking at beautiful bodies all day long (yawn) and work with 
some incredible people.  My boss was a porn star for 25 years.  
What more could a person want in the home of the free??  
heeheehee

Regarding the front lines (in Pakistan/Afghanistan, I assume you 
mean), I think we should take advantage of the people walking by 
in droves.  I really need to get up on the news today.  I have 
CNN on now -- switching between that and CNBC and MSNBC -- to 
try to find out if there's any new info on the latest threats, 
but it seems like it's the same thing we had before... nothing 
specific, just "be alert."  I don't know about anyone else, but 
I've BEEN on alert for over two months!

I'd like to know all of your opinions (okay, MOST of your 
opinions) on the idea that the U.S. might delay bombing during 
Ramadan.  I try to equate it to another country stopping their 
bombing on us during Christmas break.  Is it showing that we are 
not involving ourselves in their "Holy War" by respecting the 
peaceful Muslims or is it showing that we are just giving in to 
the idea that it's a Holy War, as some caller suggested on Matt 
Drudge's show?

"Whoa----I thought we were friends."
"See ya at yhe casino---"

I hope y'all are equally as pissed as I am that the Taliban are 
using Mosques and cities to hide in, so the civilians are being 
used as human shields.  Talk about cowards!  America has HONOR 
and INTEGRITY, totally unlike those cowards who will step on 
their own babies' heads to save their own yellow butts.  At 
least America has the DECENCY to respect innocent lives!  Thank 
God we have something worth fighting for.  I don't know why 
those lemmings want to cross the border to fight for a psycho... 
what do they have to gain from it?  Virgins after death?  What 
did the poor virgins do to deserve that?

We know, Hungry, we know...

But still, it's all there, do you even have a hint what Q'u Ran 
has to say about  Christians, Jews and Infidels in general, 
for that matter...

And now it's being used by radicals (love that word, don't 
you)  worldwide to call innocents to kill other innocents, 
while living like "sheiks" themselves, playing wars for the 
simple fun of it and sitting on billions of dollars.

We, at Radio Europe, are very normal and rational people, 
we observe the world and Europe in particular.

We are very scared by Islam, and until Islam itself 
eliminates the bad muslims you pointed out so prolificatly in 
your posting, we continue to do so. 

You see, anyone who kills thousands of people in the name 
of god makes us extremely cautious of who this god might 
be and what exactly he wants, according to his followers.

At R-E we consider ouselves as being true Europeans, this 
editor is from french, prussian jewish, flamish forefathers.

This editor never saw one of his grandfathers for the sake of 
racial and religious hatred.

We are sorry for you, but we have a hard time believing...


Good night again, love you all.

You call youselfs religious ha ha what a joke! Where in the 
koran does it say to by and sell stocks?  OR how about Las Vegas 
did you bow to the east form the flamingo you assholes You are 
the new nazi party and should be eliminated. You say jihad but 
why don't you call it what it is. You are murderers and cowards 
and  your time will come to to meet God. Hey towelhead Can you 
tell me where to get some heroin? Oh thats right thats part of 
the koran too lets grow poppies and make heroin. In the name of 
alla I want to be a drug dealer What bullshit! Hey did you guys  
get a share of the stock profits! I think not while most of your 
people are eating bark form trees some one maybe the great mulla 
is wolfing down a nice steak ha ha you people really are 
unbelivebly stupid. Next time you get on your knees I hope the 
great mulla shows you just what he is really doing to all of 
your people----giving it to you up the ass 

"Festival"

There is snow on the ground,
And the valleys are cold,
And a midnight profound
Blackly squats o'er the world;
But a light on the hilltops half-seen hints of feastings 
unhallow'd and old.

There is death in the clouds,
There is fear in the night,
For the dead in their shrouds
Hail the sun's turning flight,
And chant wild in the woods as they dance round a 
Yule-altar fungous and white.

To no gale of earth's kind
Sways the forest of oak,
Where the sick boughs entwin'd
By mad mistletoes choke
For these pow'rs are the pow'rs of the dark, from the groves 
of the lost Druid folk.
                 
And mayst thou to such deeds
Be an abbot and priest,
Singing canibal greeds
At each devil-wrought feast,
And to all the incredulous world shewing dimly the sign of 
the beast.

typical You probably live in a mud house and ride a donkey to 
the poppy fields. So lets see if I have the picture, your making 
heroin you and your family and its time to take a break Daddy 
Towel head says hey I have a good Idea lets stone a women to 
death just for fun, but don't forget to make sure her beekeepers 
hat doesn't come off.  And some one who is an even bigger 
asshole comes along and says hey I have a good Idea! Why don't I 
get you a plane ticket and you crash youself into a building 
I've never seen that happen before. With a big toothless grin 
you say in a heroin induced murmmur that sounds good to me. And 
off we go Hey how about a car crash I have a car thats got your 
name on I've never seen anyone up close crash a into a tree. 
Come on you people have got to have a brain the size of a 
anthrax spore. It is amazing to the world just how stupid you 
and your kind are.  Hey do yo think that hier Osama lives in a 
mud house or rides a donkey? You Probably belive that to  asshole

Baaaam   Baaaam    Baaaam    


Tell er this  -  Blank you!
They let just about anyone on the Internet, huh?  Who turned it 
on?


Starbucks Tomorrow.  Leave your preference and $4 with the 
moderator please.  I'll pick it up on the way in.

Bomb scare down my street today.  I asked a road blocking 
cop: "bomb device or biological threat?"  He didn't know.  Just 
said: "they're waitin for the experts."  It may not be long 
before I start ranting/raving like some of my brethren here.  
(Who's he talking bout, me?)  Seriously, this terror shit 
works.  But only for a bit.  In reality it only will stregthen 
my and our resolution to destroy the threat.  If they hit us 
again, the gloves do come off.  And if I'm talking like this... 
(and you kinda know how I feel about "innocents" and all)  blah-
blah-blah.  I can't say it.  But I'm thinkin it.

I know what to do in event...  My plans and purchases have been 
made.  Anyone want a list of anti-terror/emergency preparation 
tools - email me at my "dead-email address" - 
johnnygee27@hotmail.com (dead email address means I don't use or 
plan to use, so if it's filled with spam or anti-john email, 
I'll just shut it down, hell it's free account).

John
E pluribus unum

You "Sir"-- was the ONE that reminded me of "dogs" a few 
weeks ago or so --something I knew several years ago, but 
forgot in this batlle--until you came on board.
ie:  dog=god(quablalististic)

Be strong and be true--eagle eye & I are here to suport you 
and our cause------and so are many others; the rest can go 
to "something" or "somewhere else"(hey--I didn't swear for 
all you other martyerfuckers)

GOD BLESS

   

(excuse spelling mistakes please)

"Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my 
name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many.  You 
will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are 
not alarmed.  Such things must happen, but the end is still to 
come.

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.  
Mat.24 1-7

Then, you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, 
and you will be hated by all nations because of me.  At that 
time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate 
each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many 
people.  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most 
will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be 
saved.  Mat 9-13

"Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my 
name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many.  

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you 
are not alarmed.  Such things must happen, but the end is still 
to come.

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom."  
Mat.24 1-7

"Then, you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to 
death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.  At 
that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and 
hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive 
many people.  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of 
most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be 
saved."  Mat 9-13

O'K, the Christian brought the Bible up by quoting verses.  If 
he can, I can too.


I've actually been thinking for days whether or not to share 
this information.  I've decided yes.  I don't want to possibly 
leave anybody out of the loop.

If you own a bible go get it now.

Please open to St Matthew, Chapter 24, Verse 14 (read in 
entirety - before and after verse 14).   Take note that the type 
is in a different color - signifying direct quotes of Christ and 
not words of St Matthew.

Matt 24:14   "And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached 
in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall 
the end come."

Now open to St Mark, Chapter 13 (read in it's entirety paying 
attention to Verse - 10 thru 30)  Exact duplicate message of St 
Matthew 20 pages prior.

Now why am I pointing this out?  I hardly consider myself a 
regular church goer.  Most of us probably had opportunity to 
view the church service from National Cathedral in the days 
following the attack.  At this service - clerics from nearly all 
the world's faiths preached the gospel, including the Reverend 
Billy Graham.  This service was broadcast and translated to 
native languages "worldwide" on "EVERY" radio and "EVERY" 
television station the world over.  For the first time in the 
history of mankind the Gospel was preached to all the world for 
a witness unto all nations.

---->        hmmm.   ...as I scratch my head

Now, if you haven't gotten your bible yet, go get it. If you 
don't have one go check into a hotel.

John
E pluribus unum 

Hey mom,
those neighbors i was telling you about, the ones with the 
pillows on their heads, they're doing some really strange things.
I think they ate Miss Lucy's cat--i saw one of them lure it into 
their house with a piece of fish and it has been missing ever 
since.
When me and Jeff passed their house the other day there was a 
real bad smell and they never put out any trash on trash day.
They drive an old ford pinto that has a bent wheel and a cracked 
back glass.  They always have a evil look on their faces.
Some of my friends are planning to egg their house on holloween, 
but Sammy says his dad told him that somebody should run them 
out of town because they might be talibans. Are there any 
talibans in this country?
Jeff got a new BB gun for his birthday and he shot the tall one 
when they drove by his house, it hit him in the neck and he ran 
up on the curb and turned around and started yelling in a 
different language real loud so Jeff shot him again, this time 
he hit him in the privates and he fell down and started rolling 
around on the ground.  He kept yelling and it was giving me a 
bad headache so i grabbed Jeff's gun and pumped it 32 times and 
shot him right between the eyes and then Jeff kicked him in the 
head and told him if he didn't shut his mouth he was going to 
call the police on him.  Well the guy shut up and kept saying no 
police, please, no police.
Perty soon, all the kids from the neighborhood started showing 
up and someone grabbed a garden hose and we started wetting down 
the guy with the cloth wrapped around his head.
Then Jimmy started pissing on him and when the guy started 
yelling again Jimmy pissed in his mouth. Then he grabbed Jimmy's 
leg and Dave's dad came running out of his house with a bottle 
of beer in one hand and a baseball bat in the other.  He told us 
kids to look the other way, but we looked any way, and then he 
tore off the guys dress and stuck the beer bottle in the guys 
rectum and then he swung the baseball bat like he was Babe Ruth 
or something, and when he hit the bottle with the bat it just 
disappeared into the funny mans rectum. But he didn't think it 
was funny, he started calling for al or someone, i couldn't 
understand what he was saying. Then Jimmys dad got real mad and 
kicked the man in the teeth and knocked a bunch of them out.
Mickle pratt found a dog turd on the lawn so he picked it up 
with a stick, and when the funny man opened his mouth, Mickle 
put the dog turd in his mouth and Jimmys dad yelled at Mickle 
and said "No, that's not the way you do that you idiot" and he 
grabbed the stick and it still had part of the turd on it , and 
he crammed it all the way down the mans throught into his 
stomach and then he said "Here ya fuckin raghead, I'll give you 
something to wash that down with" and he started pissing all 
over the mans face. Then a cop car pulled up and we started to 
run, but the cops told us to stop in the name of America so we 
came back. They talked to Jimmys dad for a while and then one of 
the cops said "I think we better mace him down" and the other 
one said "good idea" and they started spraying something in the 
funny mans face--I think it was to clean off all the piss and 
shit but it made the man call for his friend Al again, so one of 
the cops told him to shut his dirty mouth and when he just kept 
yelling for Al, the cop shot him in the knee with a riot gun. 
Then another cop car pulled up and two more cops got out and 
started hitting the man with their sticks. When they searched 
the mans pockets they found a picture of bin laden and then the 
mans friend or brother came running up yelling in that funny 
language and the big cop hit in right in the face and knocked 
him to the ground and then they sprayed that stuff on him too.
Then Jimmys dad said "Hey does anybody need to shit or piss 
while we have these public toilet available?" and all the cops 
started laughing and one of them got on the radio and said "this 
is twenty eight, we have uncle bins cousins here on eighth 
street, need some back up units" and perty soon there was cops 
all over the place and one guy was selling tickets and they all 
lined up to piss on the funny men and kick them and spray them.

And a cop asked stevee what kind of dog he had, and stevee said 
he had a pit bull, and the cop said perfect, go get him and i'll 
give you a five dollar bill. So stevee got the dog and the cop 
took him by the leashe and started saying to the men "tell me 
where ben laden is or i'll let the dog go", then the dog broke 
the leashe and bit off one of the mans penis and then took off 
the other mans nose and ear. perty soon Mrs. liliadaul came out 
with a garden rake and stuck it deep into the mans ass who got 
his dick bit off by stevees dog and then Mrs. Johnson came out 
with her husbands new sears chain saw and started cutting off 
the other mans leg and one of the cops made her stop because he 
said it looked like she was having too much fun and he didn't 
think she should take all the fun away from the children. So he 
let all of the kid try out his taser gun on the funny men and 
then stevees dog pissed on them.
Anyway, the cops said that the men were too filthy to put in the 
police car so Mr. Johnson offered to pull them to the jail 
behind his four wheeler and he went real slow so us kids could 
keep hitting the funny men with Mr. Johnsons golf clubs. By the 
time they got to the jail the men quit yelling so much, even 
after stevees dog latched on to the one mans crotch and wouldn't 
let go, he just kept biting and jerking his head back and forth. 
I think they had to call a vet to put the dog to sleep cause it 
wouldn't let go.
Anyway the cops said that our neighborhood is safe again and he 
told us to report any people who look or talk like those two 
funny men.Good night mom!

Just checking in...watching the clock slowly tick by as my 
eyes grow ever more bloodshot. What this war has 
accomplished for me is to keep me awake waaay longer 
than I want to be. I'm totally not worried about going about 
my daily life, but I have an insatiable desire to know what is 
going on.

I want to see the Taliban gone!!! I am too impatient. I want to 
do it myself, but I am too chained down. Let's all be ready to 
fight when we need to and die when its our turn. 

When the walls start melting and the floor stays cold, just 
duck and cover. The world might be habitable as a 
microwave oven. It's too bad there are so many stupid 
people...everywhere. I think this is kindof a worthless post, 
but I'm tired and losing my mind so I'll post anyway. Still fun 
to read eagle and john's postings. Fear not! Just be ready to 
die. I liked the Christian's post...s/he's ready to go. I think I 
am too, but I don't know if Jesus really wants such a lunatic 
as a friend. The more I look, the lower the sky seems - day 
by day. Man, it's easy to fly a kite underwater. 

I hear Afghanistan is a really windy place...I wonder why 
none of their leadership ever invested in wind turbines? 
Turbans in the wind... wheeee. Anyway, I guess they're just 
stupid by omission of education. A lot of people are going to 
die...most of them will deserve it too.  I want it to be over 
soon, but if it isn't, perhaps I will get the chance to be a 
freedom fighter. Anyone ever play with transformers? they're 
neat...they infiltrate by looking like people, then turn into 
weapons...an insidious trick.  Bunch of bastards! I broke all 
my toys cause I didn't trust them.  

I hope that when this issue's gone (I'll see you when your 
clothes are on...) that people can remain unified and learn to 
trust and be trustworthy. I can't stand dishonest people.  
Anyway, too bad that Care? person never showed up 
again...too humbled I guess - that is a good thing. 

Nock off a few branches and a person might blossom. 

Ummm... by the way, what are we supposed to do when 
we're on heightened alert (re: Ashcroft)? I guess maybe 
they're just covering their butts so they can say, "told you 
so...".  I guess if anyone out there see's someone with a 
suitcase who is having a very difficult time moving it, call the 
cops. Uranium is heavy stuff. That's what I'm concerned 
about, I don't want my fellow Americans to have to die even if 
I don't care whether or not I do. Nuclear war freaks me out. 

Well, that was entirely too long and senseless. Sorry if I 
wasted anyone's time who read this thinking (ha!) that there 
would be anything of value in the message. God bless 
everyone.

Hey Spy,

The dog references I recommended was to antaganize sleeper cells 
to post to the board.  There is no lower beast than the dog, so 
believes the the radical muslim.

Usama Bin Dog Laden
Tali-Dog-Ban
al Dog Quaeda
Islamic-Dog-Jihad
Hez-Dog-bollah
Ha-Dog-Mas

Thanks for the earlier encouragement Spy.

John
E pluribus unum


"Venting never closes on the Afghan 911 Board"

"If they hit us 
again, the gloves do come off.  And if I'm talking like this... 
(and you kinda know how I feel about "innocents" and all)  blah-
blah-blah.  I can't say it.  But I'm thinkin it."

Well John .... I must say your approach has begun to resinate 
with me a bit more, and we are on the same side - I hope you 
realize that .. but something you said, or I sensed you feel 
from the above text ... makes me want to ask a couple of 
questions.

If they hit us again - the gloves do come off eh?  Once wasnt 
enough? That aside, lest I remind you:

Saudi Arabia - Marine Barracks  OBL takes responsibility
USS Cole - Yemen - 17+ Military Men Dead - OBL responsible
US Embassy Tanzania - 100's dead, 1000's mamed - OBL responsible
US Embassy Kenya - ive forgotten the exact numbers now - but OBL 
claims this too.
WTC Towers 3-4k vaporized/4 plane loads of people died a 
harrowing death.
There' more - too much more

So like ive said before to all .... Just what is it going to 
take people ? 100,000 dead?  5,000 across 20 europe and asian 
nations totalling 100k?  You guys draw your lines in the sand 
wherever you like - I drew mine at 1.

EagleEye
American - were watching ......

Mark,
you know better than to mistreat animals like that, Stevee's dog 
could have gotten sick from germs or something.
Tell Mrs. Johnson to call me, and behave yourself!

That was really sick.  The person who posted that cannot 
possibly be an American or love America or any of its children.  
Those are words and thoughts of a perverse and sorry excuse of a 
person.  I'm sorry I read it.

Apologies, I was speaking to "Mark" in my last post.  Sick 
bastard who has no sense.

Why I dont fall for the "Peaceful Muslim" bullshit.  The sneaky 
rat fucking bastards tricked us once before and capitalized on 
our pussy leadership and peacenic libs Politically Correct anal 
tongue dart ways.  Like Ive said before - I aint buying their 
laod a shit no more.  There's nothing peaceful to me about Louis 
Fucking Bastard Farrah-CON.  Do you people find him  .... 
peaceful.  Thats one arrogant, militant USA degrading piece of 
shit - I dont care if the fucker was fuschia - he's an oemeba in 
my shit.

read up on your Peaceful Muslim friends:

Dont say the Eagle Never told you ......

http://www.msnbc.com/news/649377.asp

NO MORE POLITCIALLY CORRECT PUSSY ASS BULLSHIT FOR YOU FUCKING 
MUSLIMS

Oct. 29    The politically incorrect view of Islam seems to be 
gaining momentum. In the wake of Sept. 11, the Bush 
administration had insisted that Islam is a peaceful 
religion,  hijacked  by a few extremists. Then, in a New York 
Times Magazine essay, Andrew Sullivan dissented. He acknowledged 
that there are moderate Muslims and that the Quran in places 
counsels mercy and tolerance.  But it would be naive to ignore 
in Islam a deep thread of intolerance toward unbelievers, 
especially if those unbelievers are believed to be a threat to 
the Islamic world.  He then quoted the Quran s commandment 
to  kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall 
find them. 

NOW A RECENT Washington Post essay seconds the motion that we 
look to the Quran for clues about modern Islam   and agrees that 
the clues are damning.  Scholars of the Koran assure us that 
nothing in the text commands the faithful to take up the sword 
against the innocent,  writes Michael Skube.  But, as the text 
makes clear, the sword is to be taken up   against those who 
deny Allah and his Messenger, against those who once believed 
but fell away, against foes of the faith, real or imagined. 

Get some shuteye, Exhausted.  You'll feel better in the 
morning.  I'm having a pretty crappy day myself, and I know how 
it feels when sleep is late in coming.  Keep your chin up... we 
need you.

tell you to take your meds.  "A+" for creativity dude.

Any homes for sale in your hood?  I need to spend my evil 
ammelican dolla's - since that binCifer fuck crashed the 
market.....  I need a nice end of the cul de sac spot with RV 
access for my V10 Excursion, a motorhome, boat and Sand Toys.  I 
love petroleum. I love filling up - thinking of a toothless 
Saudi peasant bent over, with the Royal jewels slappin his ALLAH 
worshipping dumb ass.

I love Monday Night American fucking Football, and Sam Adams the 
brewer, the Bad Ass fucking Patriot.

The Bible's Old Testament condemns adulterers (and some other 
types of sinners) to death by stoning.  I'm torn about this... 
first of all, there aren't many who would practice that today, 
even if they don't believe anything in the New Testament.  Then 
again, I'd love to be the one to take the first shot at my soon-
to-be ex husband.

So much for Tennessee.  Hasta la vista, baby.

.... about the stoning .. maybe so - I'll have to research that 
too, but I beleive you - that seems familar.

However; for followers of the Bible, New Testament -  does it 
not say Christ come to earth as the only son of God, and his 
death paid the ultimate price for those sins?  So if thats your 
faith - then the Old Testament laws no longer apply - isnt that 
the reason for Christ - cuz man couldnt hang by the "Law" and 
would have perished?

The point is - Christians no longer are held to the Laws of the 
Old Testament.  God changed with the times for Christians?  
Muslims still have their heads up Mohhameds ass circa 600 BC 
maybe ...?  What the hell do I know tonight ....

Sam Adams isnt speaking to me anymore ......

Eagle, I'm only going from memory here.  My head is a little 
achy and I'm feeling a bit cranky tonight -- so I guess this is 
the place to be, eh?  I haven't spent this much time online in 
quite a while!  But I do know that most Jews (other than 
reformed, or whichever group accepts the New Testament) still 
hold their faith on the Old Testament.

I would love to study the Koran, to know WTF I'm talking about 
rather than just guessing or relying on outside information.  
The only Muslims I've personally known in my lifetime have been 
more decent, caring, kind, compassionate people than many 
Christians I've known.  I don't know if I should attribute that 
to the religion or to the individuals, but these are devout 
Muslims who know more about the Koran than I know about the 
Bible after 20 years or so of Sunday School!  I'd be willing to 
bet that the Koran does not teach hate and violence.  After all, 
Islam and Christianity have the same roots and are supposed to 
be based on the same God.  There was a fork in the road 
somewhere along the way.  And many more have been killed in the 
name of the Christian God than some are willing to think about 
right now.

By the way, I'm not condemning or defending anything there.  
Just wish religion was completely out of the picture in this 
war.  Makes everything a little scarier, a lot more 
unpredictable.  Too bad there's not a chat function on this 
board.

Even though I am a Christian (though one who does not 
keep up his end of the relationship all the time), and I do 
indeed still love all these people, I believe that many are 
unwittingly following the anti-Christ. I know there are a lot of 
people who this might not matter to, but it only takes a little 
deception to be led into the wide road towards destruction. 

I guess what I agree with most is how Islam is not a religion 
of peace. I've only read the first 5 suras of the Q'ran, but I 
see passages about beating your wives and chasing down 
opposers of Mohammed and a lot of garbled stuff 
inbetween. Hence, I am very tired of the news saying that 
Islam is a religion of peace. I think Satan's most valuable 
tools are half-truths, and I see no shortage of those in the 
Q'ran (sorry Muslims, but I mean it). 

I think it is pretty wild that there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the 
world though. I can see why the "evildoer" Osama wants to 
succeed so badly in turning this into a war vs. Islam 
because unfortunately, we would be outnumbered, would 
have to use Nukes and then the world would pretty much be 
rubble. So I don't see the present times as a very good 
situation, but I'm not afraid of death and I want justice for my 
people (Christians and all other Americans). 

It is time to be realistic but also time for bed...oops.

I wish everyone a good night.

I hope you read this when you wake up, Exhausted (what shall I 
call you then? Rested??).  I know nothing about the Koran other 
than second or third-hand information, but I figure I'd be 
pretty surprised if I read the first 5 chapters of the Bible and 
thought people lived that way.  I'm glad you're reading it, 
anyway.

If 1.2 billion Muslims in this world believe that non-Muslims 
should all be put to death, then I think it would have been done 
by now.  I think a large percentage of the 1.2 billion are poor, 
starving, and don't have a very long life expectancy.  I also 
don't think that all Muslims are necessarily practicing Muslims, 
and it may be that there are as many offshoots as there are of 
the Christian religion, probably fighting among each other the 
way Christians/Catholics/Mormons/Protestants/etc. fight among 
each other.

Thanx for ur post... way above..

Nothing's happened yet.. still waiting for the right "link"..

I read ur post.. the one about the hunping soldiers in saudi. 
Many of these guys are gay, and that's there in the US as well, 
and I agree, it is sickening..

Still waiting.. Thanx for asking.. 

No-one seems to believe what I had stated earlier, except for a 
couple of people.. so let's see.

My email: Ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com.. Check it out. It is my 
site, and my pics is there, in the Motorcycle Tour page.. BOOOtt 
OOOgly..

Peace...

You talk about a catholic school in Bavaria where a crucifix was 
being contested by muslims. According to my information it was a 
public school and in this case the muslims were absolutely right 
to demand the removal from the classrooms' walls. Just like I 
think their girls should not be allowed to wear the chador at 
school, by wearing it they are not only testifying their 
religion, but also rebuking our whole society. 
Schools are about education, not religion, especially the public 
ones, and since in Europe there is a choice to go to whichever 
school onelikes to go to, at least the public schools have the 
obligation to remain neutral, the crucifix exclusively being a 
simbol of the catholic church, not even of Christianity. 
I don't think American non-Catholic Christians would appreciate 
crucifixes in their childrens' classrooms.

this is going on in europe:
                  
                        www.radioislam.net

                        www.secularislam.com, by has been muslem


It's 900 AM GMT, time to end this broadcast....

Have a nice day

Yeah, THere is a lot that can be taken out of context. 
Although reading the first five chapters of the new testament 
saved my life.  I definitely need to read more, but I believe 
that the seeds are there for the violence that we see 
happen. I don't hate Muslims at all though, nor do I really 
hate anybody. I'm glad that you made the point though - I 
was getting a little bit off my rocker. I believe in evil though 
and still think that the Quran denies the Messiah using 
half-truths. Right now though, I think this should be a war 
about a country who was raped by AlQuaeda, not a war of 
Christians vs. Muslims (since I don't think Christians should 
have to fight to get their message across). 

Anyhow(re eagle's reply), Old testament law still applies to 
Christians, but since nobody is able to live by the law of their 
own power, Jesus is our atonement and the Spirit dwells 
within as a guide for our daily actions. That is the good 
news - that it is such a simple thing to do to know God and 
be brought closer to Him. That is also the message that 
Mohammed has taken away from the his followers. 

Anyhow, God still expects us to behave and show some 
respect for having created us. The Mosaic laws only begin to 
show how set apart God is. Jesus was born to fulfill the law 
- to make it complete. He just knew that we would need to 
see how we make God suffer every time we choose to sin. 

It bugs me a lot when we (Christians now) fight amongst 
each other for petty reasons when we'll only have to spend 
eternity together. I guess we'll have plenty of time to make 
up then. I know its hard to have faith in a world like this, but 
its a lot easier than the price of giving up. 

I think I need a vacation. I can't believe I have to get up for 
work in 4 hours. The inner conflict rages on. By nature I'm a 
pretty reactionary person, but by second nature I am very laid 
back and forgiving, so the bombing of the trade center did a 
number on me. I want to see them pay for their crime, but I 
want all to find forgiveness, so I find myself praying for those 
who are doing evil. In the meantime, my gut tells me we just 
need to keep the bombs falling until the Taliban topples.

Rock on. Hope you're not still awake...I'll be back tomorrow, 
probably just as exhausted (so I'll still use the name-got 
stuck with it.). 

First of all, we don' recall adressing you in the above 
mentioned post.

Secondly, we have been trying to decipher your posts for 
days, they go nowhere to us.

Then, if the parents do have the choice:  taking their children 
to schools that have a crucifx above the door or classrooms 
filled 80% with muslim youth, I think their choise is made..

For the Dutch part of your tandem. Seems the choice has 
been made in Nederland, too, hasn't it?
Isn't Holland the country of schools running empty, and 
being left with immigrant-children only, so their level is 
sinking to even lower levels?

It 's probably the likes of you that drive their kids to the other 
side  of the city to avoid the to be amongst immigrant 
children.

Then, Italy...  if these people are so apalled by a bit of 
christian folklore, than I  hope you do not listen. 
You  may have to tear nearly all of your buildings down  to 
stay neutral...

"The Neighborhood"

That's what Mark called his tale.  "The Neighborhood"  You see  
Mark is telling his mom about his neighborhood.  Mark's 
neighborhood has a family or two of Muslims.  These families 
have male bread winners who happen to wear turbins to signify 
their Muslin faith.  Mark dreams about prosecuting an atrocity 
upon the turban wearing Muslims who reside in "his" 
neighborhood.  Mark's tale is about beating these two men to 
bloody pulp.  At the near end (the completion) of Mark's ultra 
long tale, Mark wants to somehow justify the perpetrated 
atrocity by planting upon one of the victims person, a picture 
of Usama bin Laden.  Now do all readers feel better.  Before the 
picture was thrown in at the last moment you felt a little 
uneasy.  You weren't quite sure why, or if this Muslim man 
should be killed.  Good thing the fabricated last minute picture 
appeared, or else, or else, you would have been maybe a little 
darn upset.  Good thing for the picture.  Big Bad Mark beat-up, 
mangled, destroyed, effectively killed two men because they wore 
a turbin in his neighborhood.


John
E pluribus unum


PS -- If only Mark's mom had talked to Mark?

Now let's get back to F#@king destroying the ENEMY before they 
destroy us.  My Pakistani friend who sells me cigarettes is not 
the enemy.  There may be a sleeper who goes undetected for some 
time.  But ya know what, it's NOT my Pakistani friend who sells 
me cigarettes.  And if Mark kills him, even in his f@#king 
sleep, I'll send him straight to hell quicker then he can yell - 
MOM!!

John
E...

In Italy, the only American religious service to be seen on 
television in the days following the Twin Tower massacre was the 
one in New York City's St.Patrick's. I did'nt bother, but am 
100% sure that "Radio Vatican" only transmitted that mass (or 
service) from their radiostation. I'm sure the same kind of 
politics are used in a lot of countries, christian and non. 
Churches seem to be the only ones to profit from what has 
happened
A thing I don't like about religious in general is that they 
only advertise their own believes in a very unobjective way and 
the various churches are completely closed communities to each 
other. 
Religion stems from the tradition of a country and the thing 
people need most now is tradition and a safe feeling of "going 
back to the womb"; one of our first memories are those of some 
kind of religion inflicted on us, so this is a very easy thing 
to be taken advantage of in these days. I think it must be very 
easy at this moment to become another "Billy Graham": all it 
takes is intelligence, charisma and some information since 
people are so scared.  
When you are bored this can be an interesting game to play, I 
think it is very dangerous and dishonest. 
Of course the Islam, not only being a religion but also a 
political institution,is a totally different thing altogether; 
it not only tells its people to ignore and avoid other creeds, 
it actually teaches hatred towards them, all non Islamics are 
considered "Wrong-doers" and may be punished for that.  

I thought this was a free board for everyone to react,I only 
criticise incorrect information, when you tell a story you 
should not change important facts. Especially for a radio like 
yourselves this is not serious.
Maybe I am not as colourful as others on this board, I am still 
participating in the feelings most people have towards this 
crisis. Next time you see Holland/Italy, just skip the message, 
I only skip messages from people like Bob and Joe, I 
thinkanyone's elses viewpoint is interesting. 

HUS GA NAH NATIVE PEOPLES; THE TRIBAL LEADERS MUST DECLARE WAR 
ON GENERAL CUSTER BEN LADIN..REMEMBER OUR MOTTO,"IF YOU CANT 
BEAT THE WASHKISTAS(WHITES)JOIN UM."..WE RED STICKS HAVE THE 
HONOR OF BEING THE LARGEST NATIONALITY GROUP IN THE USA OF BEING 
VETERANS(PERCENTAGE WISE),83% WERE IN THE US MARINES.WE JOINED 
THE VARIUOS MILITARY SERVICES AS THERE WASNT TOO MUCH TO DO ON 
THE REZ AT THAT TIME.I.RA HAYES HELPED RAISE THAT FLAG ON IWO 
JIMA. i say restart the draft and any male under 50 who has not 
served in the armed forces, draft um, LET THEM EARN THEIR 
FREEDOMS.NUKE PART OF AFGANISTAN AROUND KABUL AND IRAQ TO 
BOOT.oR DOWN THE ROAD WE WILL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH WORST THAN WE 
HAVE NOW. AFTER ALL IN THE PAST THE ARMY WIPED OUT WHOLE TRIBES 
OF REDSTICKS AND SOME WERE INNOCENT TOO. ARM CHAIR WARRIORS GO 
AND ENLIST!  SAGAMORE LONGCAMP

hate never leads to a solution..........
amen

I spend a large amount of my(not very precious) 
time in Britain, Germany & other European countries because of 
my job. I have just arrived in London from Australia, & I'm 
sitting here looking at the daily newspapers, which I have to 
read as part of my job. When the bombing of Kosovo & Yugoslavia 
happened, I was based in Belgrade, & had the newspapers driven 
to me from Bulgaria. At first, the support for the bombing was 
astronomical. Tony Blair had the support of most of the British 
populace.
               After the first month, the newspapers started to 
wobble. There was criticism of the campaign, & people were 
questioning the methods involved. After that, There were no 
complaints, & although the bombing started to leave the front 
page, after the second month, there was less criticism. I was 
reading the Guardian yesterday, & on the comments & analysis 
section, there was a huge piece about why this war was wrong. 
The Guardian is an intensely socialist newspaper, with 
distinctly intellectual panderings. It is one of my favourite 
English newspapers, because the reporting is very good, even 
though you have to move everything two degrees to the right. 
Check out its website, at www.guardian.co.uk.
          The Mirror is another heavily socialist newspaper, but 
one which is easier to read, & is designed for the so-
called "working classes". Both these newspapers, & the 
socialists in England, are distinctly pacifist, & look for 
results after the first month. They do not have the patience to 
stomach a long war, & are thus the main voices of dissent. The 
Mirror isn't that much like the National Enquirer. The main 
English equivalent is called the Sun, & is right-wing & 
conservative. It has the highest circulation of any newspaper in 
England, & is more accurate in reflecting public opinion. It is 
pro-war & will stay so. It is a very important newspaper, & on 
several occasions they have been responsible for leading the 
government to moderate its stance.
               The Qu'ran does not forbid fighting during 
Ramadan. It actually says that many of its battles took place 
during Ramadan. In the Iran-Iraq war, both sides ceased fighting 
during Ramadan. It is certainly true that continuing the bombing 
will increase the voices of dissent from the Moslem community.
               If Ramadan was in the middle of August, it would 
be more vital, because the days are longer, & it is harder. But, 
we are talking about the month of November, when the days are 
not so long. During Ramadan, you think about the poor, & are 
supposed to be more holy & devout than normally. As this is a 
Jihad, a holy war, the Moslems will probably fight with greater 
intensity, as they will be doing their holy duty. Therefore, we 
should have no qualms about bombing during Ramadan. If, the 
coalition becomes vociferous in their complaints, as a courtesy, 
there should be no action during the day. But what will be 
interesting to see, is whether Bin Laden will conduct any 
operations, or send any anthrax letters during the month of 
Ramadan?

Sorry if my posts are too long & boring. I just like 
to talk, & this is a cool place to talk. Ty.

HUS GA NAH! I FORGOTTO ADD..." NEVER LEAVE AN ENEMY BEHIND." WE 
DID THAT IN IRAQ , AND NOW WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THEIR TUTANKA 
HOYA(BUFFALO SHIT).THEY ARE MESSING WITH BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS, 
NUKE UM AND BURN THAT HOYA UP. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.  SAGAMORE

It is opinions like these, which although 
they help us to understand what kind of a person you are, are 
responsible for giving Americans a bad name. I sincerely hope 
that you never enact the action mentioned above, because it is 
worrying. I know this is a place to vent, & maybe some people 
feel that I am a soft panzy-assed lefty, but I feel that that 
was a bit too extreme, & a fairly tasteless. If I'm wrong, let 
me know & I will apologise.

I am a british guy my dads fro algeria but I stillw ant 2 get a 
big gbomb and drop it on ur fuckin shit afghan country u paki 
bastards I'll shit on Bin Ladens grave when I've pulled out my 
glock and fuked him up 5000 people died in the wtc 5 000 000 
will die in the war agains muslims ur faith will be wiped off 
the face of the earth evry koran page shall be used 2 wipe a 
western mans arse then set on fire allah will fuckin recieve a 
cruise missile in his eye himself the paki god wanker and 
mohammeds grave will be a place for a new public toilet I 'll c 
2 it myself that I will wake up in the morning and no have 2 
smeell curry or hear Allah bin laden mudial pakis suck donkeys 
dic chanted now go fuck ur muthas and Allah 2 ahd ur donkey u 
afghani bastards plus go 2 this website www.allahlicksballs.com 
or www.superiorwhiteman.com?!!!!!!!stcik that in ur turban and 
wear it!!!!U.S.A, U.S.A
RULE BRITTANIA!!!!!!

> I think the events of 9/11 and the aftermath show that the
> Islamic religion has known sin. People of all faiths should
> take this as an opportunity to reflect on their religious
> teaching and consider this: religion is a human invention.
> Religion reflects human failings as well as human
> brilliance. What other conclusion is possible when we see
> atrocities committed in the name of God? A few examples:
> the Crusades, the Inquisition, Al Qaeda, slavery, human
> sacrifice, the caste system, Jerry Falwell, Jim Jones, infant
> genital mutilation, intolerance, children of holocaust
> survivors bulldozing Palestinian houses. Religion has failed
> humankind.  And why? Because religion teaches us to
> listen to an unanwserable authority and not to engage in
> rational thought. If you cherish life and wish for a better
> world, give up the practice of religion and instead cultivate
> your capacity for critical thinking. I think if any of the 
>great religious teachers of the past walked the earth today this
> would be their message: choose free will! After all, that's
> what Jesus, Mohammed, Buddah, Moses, Krishna, and the
> rest all did. But without the brain engaged, the enlightened
> path hardens into sterile dogma or even worse. So
> everybody help out and start your own religion.  A religion of 
> free will. I promise you the answers will come.

10 DIRTY AFGHANS SITTING ON A WALL 10 DIRTY AFGHANS SITTING ON A 
WALL AND IF 1 U.S BOMB SHOULD ACCIDENTALLY DROP THERED BE NO 
SMELLY AFGHANS OR EVEN THE FUCKIN WALL!

John

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Simon, thank you for your post above.  It's refreshing to see 
your perspective and you have no idea how much I appreciate 
learning more about this.  I have a couple of questions to ask 
you that are unrelated to the conflict and as such are probably 
inappropriate here, so if you have the time and inclination, 
could you please drop me a line?  I have a hotmail address with 
the handle I use above.

Thanks again for your input.  I hope to see more of the same 
from you here, and when I have time I'll check out the site you 
gave.  Have you seen any reaction from Tony Blair or Parliament 
there in London regarding the (apparant) prevalent anti-war 
headlines there?

looking for some jack-o-lantrens for my front yard.
requirements: must be hacked off the shoulders of a 
terrorist.
I'll scoop out the "seeds of hate" myself and make the slits
for the light (from the candle I'll use) to shine through.

I haven't yet had the chance to peruse the news, but here is a 
bit on British government reaction that I found on my home page:

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Blair Set to Give Rallying Speech 
10/30/2001 7:52 AM EST  

LONDON (AP) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair is seeking to 
rally support for the war in Afghanistan amid signs Tuesday of 
public unease with the military campaign.

In a speech to the Welsh Assembly in Cardiff, Blair was to 
recall the events of Sept. 11 and re-explain why Britain is 
participating in the campaign, a spokesman said.

"We have not embarked on this lightly, we have embarked on this 
because there is no alternative to action, and we will see it 
through," the spokesman said on customary condition of anonymity.

The prime minister's deputies have accused the British media of 
unreasonable expectations for the U.S.-led air strikes and have 
urged the public to have more patience with the three-week-old 
war.
 
Blair's speech was expected to set the tone for a week of 
concerted diplomatic activity, which will see senior British 
ministers crisscrossing the globe in an effort to buttress the 
international coalition against terrorism.

Key Islamic allies have urged a pause in military action for the 
Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Sections of the Western media and 
public have expressed concern or revulsion over images of 
impoverished Afghan civilians killed and maimed by stray bombs.

While a majority of Britons still back the military effort, an 
ICM poll in The Guardian newspaper Tuesday showed a 12 point 
drop in support since Oct. 10 - from 74 percent to 62 percent.

The poll said 57 percent of the 1,000 adults surveyed between 
Friday and Sunday said they supported Britain's decision to send 
200 specially trained Royal Marines to join in ground attacks 
against the Taliban and al-Qaida, compared to 29 percent against.

A similar margin supported a halt in bombing to allow more 
humanitarian aid into Afghanistan. The poll said 54 percent 
agreed with calls by some aid agencies' for a pause, while 29 
percent said they did not.

Britain and the United States have rejected such a pause, and a 
top U.N. humanitarian official has said air strikes are not 
significantly disrupting the aid flow. Britain has said it is 
considering a military pause for Ramadan.

The ICM poll had a margin of error of plus or minus three points.

Very well summarized! However, when our troops start coming home 
in body bags THAT will be the acid test. There's no way around 
it, so far your country is the only one being attacked, hence 
your nation's understandable anger and resolve. But isn't it 
strange that despite the U.K.'s obvious tangible military 
support for you, we for some reason haven't as yet been 
targeted. Maybe those attacking you hope that the longer this 
continues, the more British public support will wane over time, 
espicially if OUR troops start dying and opposition pictures of 
innocent casualties (however few) keep coming in. I for one hope 
Britian does not become a fairweather friend to you and your 
country, you deserve more.    

I hope EagleEye doesn't mind if I copy and paste part of one of 
his previous posts...

"Saudi Arabia - Marine Barracks  OBL takes responsibility
USS Cole - Yemen - 17+ Military Men Dead - OBL responsible
US Embassy Tanzania - 100's dead, 1000's mamed - OBL responsible
US Embassy Kenya - ive forgotten the exact numbers now - but OBL 
claims this too."

There are a lot more murders in other countries that this 
terrorist network is responsible for, taking more than just 
American lives.  I think that BinLaden's group is targeting 
America and Americans most because of our military presence in 
the Middle East and our support of Israel.  (They must have 
forgotten our support of Afghanistan and the preservation of 
their religion by helping them fight the Russians.)  However, I 
think they would be perfectly content taking out anyone whose 
skin would crisp after too much time in the sun.  He doesn't 
even mind taking out his own followers to achieve his psychotic 
goals.

Thank you for your kind words to us, U.K. Citizen.

BRITAIN IS OUR ONLY REAL ALLY IN THIS STRUGLE. I AM NATIVE 
AMERICAN/WELSH ENGLISH DESENT.HONOR TO YOU BRITS.YET THE BRITS 
HAVE TO GO BACK TO BRITAIN AFTER 6 MONTH STAY IN USA.I WANT THIS 
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BRITAIN STOPPED. BRITAIN HAS HAD TO DEAL 
WITH THE TERRORIST IRA WHO IN PART ARE SUPPORTED BY SOME IRISH 
IN THE USA.THE IRA AND REPUBLIC OF IRELAND SUPPORTED AND HAD 
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH NAZI GERMANY DURING WW2 AND JOE 
KENNEDY WAS ALSO SUPPORTER OF GERMANY. NAZIS GAVE WEAPONS TO IRA 
DURING THE WAR AND MOST OF SPIES AGAINST ENGLAND CAME OUT OF 
IRELAND. IRELAND DID NOTHING IN DESERT STORM AND NOTHING IN 
AFGAN WAR. LIKE THE OL SOD SO MUCH? GO BACK. SAGAMORE THEONDOGA.