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From: Justice USA
To: Justice and All Pro Americans
Subject: MY BEAUTIFUL NEW YORK CITY
Date: Tue Mar 12 17:20:32 2002

Message:
Thanks for asking Justice, glad to be back. I have been in the 
city lately and it is standing as TALL and as POWERFUL as ever 
and my fellow New Yorkers are walking their proud New York 
Strut.   I am very ANXIOUS for them to start building as soon as 
they finish with ground zero.  There is STILL a lot of working 
going on down there.  The huge cranes still uncovering bodies, 
etc. and I have also been to the site on Staten Island and seen 
the rest of the World Trade Center stuff that has been removed 
to that.   My heart still breaks for all of the fine people that 
died in there, REGARDLESS of their race, etc. and I was healing 
pretty good until I saw that documentary on TV about 9-11.  I 
feel it was WAY too soon to show it. Reopening wounds that are 
still bleeding, but it was interesting though.  The few people 
that were killed in the first attack should have had this same 
type of response as we have now.  Doesnt matter if it is three 
people or three thousand, we cannot let these sons of bitches 
take over.  Hope you are doing good too Justice.  I wish you 
could see the TOWERS OF LIGHT with me tonight, it would blow 
your mind and put a lump in your throat.  

From: Right said fred
To: everyone
Subject: hi
Date: Tue Mar 12 17:09:10 2002

Message:
Anyone remember me?
I can't believe this site is still going strong!
wow
Is E pluribus guy still here?
since i've been gone no planes have crashed ugh!
I flew to Chicago at Christmas and needed new underwear after
I'm off again in a few weeks so i hope you mussy's or should a 
say pussy's are not planning anything.
i think i p'd everyone off with my comments last time if i 
remember haahahahahah!

Anyway is Bin ladden still alive? we seem to be bombing the hell 
out of Afghanistan. He's probably works in a corner shop in 
Washington.

Shalom 


From: SISTER
To: BROTHER FRANKY
Date: Tue Mar 12 17:47:12 2002

Message:
AMEEN

From: SISTER
To:
Date: Tue Mar 12 18:13:57 2002

Message:
Secret societies
 
 

The Secret Societies have been present in the history of man for 
a very long time. It all started thousands of years ago with 
the "Brotherhood of the Snake", a secret society set up by an 
alien named Ea or Enki. This story is very carefully told in the 
Sumerian scriptures, which go back at least 6000 years. There it 
says man was created by draconian aliens, who came to this 
planet to exploit its resources - especially gold. But the work 
was heavy, so the alien race wanted someone else to do the hard 
work. Thus Ea, who was a brilliant scientist, created homo 
sapiens as a hybrid between a primitive earth life-form and the 
alien race.

First homo sapiens was only meant for slave labor and couldn't 
breed. Later on this was changed. Ea didn't like, though, how 
his created race was treated and wanted to enlighten them by 
telling them who they were and where they came from. He also 
wanted to tell them the well hidden truth that each individual 
is a spirit inhabiting a body and that after body death the 
spirit lives on and reincarnates on Earth.

Ea's superiors didn't agree to this, as they were afraid of 
chaos and turmoil, but Ea told them anyway. The early homo 
sapiens revolted against their Masters, but were forced to 
retire. Ea then started this secret society, the Brotherhood of 
the Snake, to enlighten people in secret. But he was discovered 
and judged by the alien laws, which meant that Ea was deported 
to Earth for eternity - to die here and be reborn here in 
endless cycles, using fragile, short living human bodies. If 
this is right, he might still be here ...

In the meantime, as time passed by, the "Brotherhood of the 
Snake" was infiltrated by the Draconian Master aliens and the 
knowledge was distorted to trap man instead of enlighten him. 
The Egyptian Era was in fact real "space opera", with aliens 
walking around among us, even taking the throne as pharaohs on 
mostly. By that time the Brotherhood was very infiltrated and 
its purpose to manipulate the masses, making them believe in 
false gods and masters.

In the background through all history there are the secret 
societies. The original Brotherhood soon split up in cults, when 
certain people on top were in disagreement with each other and 
different powers of control developed, with them even fighting 
each other (which still is the case today) totally above an 
ignorant population. They invented the different religions and 
sects and cults so man would be busy doing something else 
instead of looking into what the Brotherhood was doing. It was 
also a way to control people by not telling the truth about God 
and Jesus, so that people would miss the point and never be able 
to be set free. Religion has always been connected with guilt 
and punishment, which is NOT the way it is supposed to be. They 
put themselves in charge of the churches to entrap people and to 
spread conflicts between different belief systems. Most wars 
throughout history have been religious wars.

Out of the original Brotherhood came Freemasonry, the 
Rosicrucians, The Knight Templars, Ordo Templi Orientis, Knights 
of Malta and more. They all knew, on the highest grades, the 
truth about the origin of man and that we all are spiritual 
beings and thus immortal. They know God is the REAL and only 
source, but they distorted that power as we let them deceive us 
and used the power of God that we have inside of us for their 
evil purposes. This knowledge is a very well kept secret and 
they have done everything in their power to hide the truth from 
people, and one must say they succeeded quite well. People who 
for some reason or another have stumbled upon the road to truth 
has either been ridiculed, slandered or even killed.

Now you might say that the Freemasons, for example, is a charity 
organization and even Christian to its belief. Yes, that's what 
we're told and that is what most members of the secret society 
believe. Most people involved are good people, who are ignorant 
of what's going on upon the highest grades. Because up there is 
Satanism and worship of the dark forces. They don't serve God, 
they serve Satan or Lucifer and that is the key to what is 
happening in the world of today.

Adam Weishaupt (1748-1811). basically a Jew, converted to become 
a Catholic Priest and ended up starting a "new" secret society 
called the Illuminati. Actually it was not new at the time; it's 
been there long before then, but during Weishaupt's lifetime 
this organization was revealed publically. It's unclear if he 
was the master-mind behind it, but most researchers, including 
me, are more or less certain that Weishaupt was just a puppet 
for the Elite of the Freemasons.

The Freemasons had recently started a new branch of Freemasonry -
  Freemasonry of the Scottish Rite with its 33 degrees of 
initiation. It's still today one of the most powerful secret 
societies, including members within high politics, religious 
leaders, businessmen and other "useful" persons. Things point in 
the direction that Weishaupt was sponsored by the Rothschilds, 
who then were (and are) the heads of Freemasonry.

The Illuminati had its own grades ABOVE (or rather beside) the 
33 degrees of Freemasonry. Even persons who were initiated to 
the higher degrees of Freemasonry had no knowledge of the 
Illuminati grades - it was that secret. Up there Weishaupt 
planned the take-over of the planet, and he made up distinct 
targets for a One World Government and a New World Order. All 
this was written down in something called the "Protocols of the 
Elders of Zion", with an evil purpose to put the blame on the 
Jews(!) if something would leak.

And it did leak! A courier for the Illuminati was struck by 
lightning when he rode over a field and the Protocols were 
found, where the takeover was carefully written down. This was 
in The 1770's. Weishaupt and his Illuminati "Brothers" had to 
flee and work underground, as their organization was banned. It 
was decided that the name Illuminati should never be used 
officially again, but front groups should be used to fulfill the 
purpose of world domination, with the rest of the population 
made into slaves. One of the front groups were the Freemasons, 
who had a better reputation ...

It is believed that Weishaupt was killed by his Freemason 
Brothers, as he was unable to keep his mouth and still continued 
to use the name Illuminati. There could also have been other 
reasons.

The secret goal, however, survived Weishaupt and the Rothschilds 
were now heads of the Illuminati (and still are today, together 
with David Rockefeller). A good help to reach the goal came from 
the Freemason Cecil Rhodes, who in the 19th Century tried to 
build a One World Government with the British Empire on the top. 
This was of course sponsored by the Rothschilds and it was also 
Rhodes who created the Round Table, a secret society in itself, 
named after King Arthur's Round Table, where the Brotherhood 
Elite are gathering up to this day.

World War I and II were both attempts to take over. After the 
Second World War people were so tired of all this killing that 
they welcomed the United Nations, when it was founded. The 
official policy of the UN was to safeguard the peace, so nothing 
like WW II would ever happen again. But indeed the UN was 
another important front organization for the Illuminati, to 
unite the countries of the world into one. This led to the EU 
project, which anyone, with his eyes open, can see goes right 
into the direction of the biggest fascist state known to man, 
where each country gets less and less power and sovereignty.

By galloping inflation the International Bankers (read the 
Illuminati) have succeeded in making us believe that the only 
solution is a One Currency - the EMU. When that project is 
safeguarded, the Central European Bank (Illuminati) has all the 
power over the economy in Europe and can lead us in whatever 
direction they want. Some politicians are just stupid and 
ignorant, others are aware of facts and work for and with the 
Illuminati. The innocent people, being deceived, are the ones 
who will suffer the most. This is a betrayal beyond 
comprehension.

The EU then will expand into the United Nations of Africa, Asia 
and South America and the end phenomenon will be that all those 
United States will be united into one big fascist state, which 
will last in a thousand years, regarding to their occult belief. 
It's the Golden Age - the Age of AntiChrist.

The secret societies and the Illuminati believe in the power of 
symbols. The world is full of their magical and black magic 
symbols. The problem is, we are so used to seeing them all over 
the place, that we don't even think about it. The Illuminati 
believe that the more symbols around, the more magical power to 
them. The insignia of the Illuminati and the New World Order is 
the "Pyramid with the All-Seeing- Eye", which you can study on 
the back of the US One Dollar Bill(!) A few years ago this 
symbol was also on a series of stamps coming from the Vatican(!) 
The All-Seeing-Eye is the Eye of Horus, which is the Eye of 
Lucifer, and goes back to the Egyptian era. Other common symbols 
are the pentagram (five-pointed star), the hexagram (six-pointed 
star - The Star of David), the Swastika reveresed (the way 
Hitler used it) and the pyramid in general.

 


From: SISTER
To:
Date: Tue Mar 12 18:30:20 2002

Message:
THE SATANISTS
 
 

The secret societies controlled by the Illuminati, have secret 
grades of initiations. With Freemasonry you can't just walk in 
there if you want to be a member - you have to be suggested by 
at least two persons who are already members, and the person 
should be examined of his record before he's able to join. If 
only one person in the council says no to entership, the 
suggested person will not be permitted. So one can see that they 
select people carefully to see if he can be of any use to them.

Officially most societies are charity organizations, therefore 
most people join. They are also esoteric with grades of 
initiations, where every member has sworn loyalty foremost to 
the Brotherhood, which means if this person has a specific post 
in society (like a President for example), his first interest is 
with the Brotherhood and secondly with his post as President. So 
he has in fact double loyalties. A Brother in good standing 
should always be protected and cared for, as long as he is 
useful to the organization and follows its rules. If he flunks 
or doesn't keep his oaths, he will be made a horrible example of 
(even killed). It's very important that the secrets are kept.

Many Freemasons on the lower grades are actually very pleased to 
be a member. It's a tight "belonging-feeling" and he will learn 
a few secrets of this universe, which are not taught in school, 
and he's often enthusiastic and fascinated. One Freemason 
said: "Beside my wife, Freemasonry is the most important thing 
in my life ..." His wife, by the way, must never know anything 
about what her husband is doing within the society, as it's 
supposed to be kept secret, and women most often are not allowed 
into the societies. However there ARE a few societies especially 
for women. Then one can speculate how come that women are 
treated as less beings in the community of today, with lower 
wages for the same job etc. It's a man's world - it's the world 
of the Secret Societies!

With the purpose to create a positive front, the Brotherhood is 
very eager to recruit good beings - hopefully even celebrities - 
to speak good of them and defend them when necessary. And the 
less those people know about the real agenda, the more truthful 
this person will sound in his defense.

As time goes on, some of the members (not all though)  will 
enter higher and higher grades within the society, until he 
reaches the highest ones. But up there, a very careful selection 
is taken place. Before entering the upper grades a higher 
Brother demands the apprentice to spit on the cross(!) If the 
person refuses, due to his Christian belief, the higher Brother 
tells him he did the right thing and has showed his loyalty to 
his religion. But that Brother will never be permitted to enter 
the highest grades. He will always be met by excuses why he 
can't continue.

On the other hand, if the person spits on the cross, he is 
showing his loyalty to the Brotherhood instead and is loyal 
enough to be able to continue up the grade chart. He will be 
permitted into the "secret libraries", where the wisdom from 
long gone ages are gathered, and he's permitted to take part of 
it and its magical rituals. He will be more and more involved in 
Black Magic/Satanism and prepared for the "Big secrets", which 
are among others the following:

1. The secret society is in communication with

alien life-forms, which are the real powers behind the society.

2. The purpose with the society is to create a One World 
Government with them in charge over mankind, but above them in 
the Hierarchy is the Luciferian, alien force.

3. The way to control the masses is through mind control and 
occult, satanic power, used with the intent to manipulate.

4. The reward will be power and money.

5. We are all spiritual beings, inhabiting a body and are thus 
immortal as spirits.

 

In 1922 Lucifer's Trust was created in London, but later changed 
its name to Luci's Trust, as the first name was too obvious. The 
Trust is non-governmental and officially recognized by the 
United Nations. It's also an extention of the Theosophical 
Society. Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others the Satanist 
Robert McNamara , former minister of Defense in the USA, 
president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller 
Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in 
Moscow). Luci's trust sponsors among others the following front 
organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty 
Int., UNICEF. Luci's Trust has its only "religious" chapel, the 
Temple of Understanding, where Satanism is in practice, in the 
UN headquarter in New York, USA (source: Police Highschool 
Library, Satanism, A 205 Basic Course II police Highschool 
autumn 1991; authors: Ingela Goransson and Lena Martinsson, 
Sweden). Interesting is the fact that Luci's Trust openly 
declares that a secretive group of illuminated, New Age notables 
is now running the planet from behind the scene(!).

The reason good intended people stay members of such destructive 
organizations is probably because of its un-democratic structure 
and chain of commands. The lower-grade Brother is not entitled 
to know what's on the grade above and curiosity drives him into 
the mystery. Also, the discipline and secrecy is very strict and 
punishment can be hard, if one fails to comply. In this manner 
the very few evil men at the top can control the many innocent 
and ignorant people below. It's probably that simple and of 
course a basic form of mind control.

I'm not even sure democracy is the ultimate structure of a 
society, but the hierarchy of a dictatorship must be worse, 
however. True democracy, though, has always showed to fail, as 
it requires political involvement from the citizens, who are the 
real power. However, it was Plato (an Illuminati initiate) who 
came up with democracy in the first place - at least officially, 
though it was Socrates who initiated the idea. But groups of 
people have been shown to be easily manipulated and controlled 
through history, and made to believe they live in a democracy, 
when the real power has "invisibly" changed to the favor of the 
politicians, who actually should only be employed by the people 
for to substantiate their needs and desires. This seems to have 
been forgotten ...

 

The UN is nothing else but the Worldpolice of the Illuminati, 
founded to be able to step in and take military control over a 
country or region which is countering their plans. Don't think 
it is a coincidence that the Temple of Understanding is 
positioned in the UN headquarters ...

Socialism is nothing else but the politics the Black Order uses 
to enslave the people on Earth. The red banner is the symbol of 
their biggest sponsor and their economical protector's family-
banner who since the 1700's has worked for to bring about 
socialism. The banker Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1743-1812) was 
the first member of this family who worked for and financed it. 
Today the Rothschilds own the F-U Central bank, but not many 
people know that many of the European Banks were founded by the 
Rothschilds and owned by them. Central banks is a basic thesis 
for the upcoming of socialism.

For example, the Rothschilds have invested plenty of money into 
the Environmental Movement to counter the nuclear-power 
industry, which wanted to build up its own free energy through 
nuclear power. The national independence is very important to 
stop. And even more, when the oil resources come to an end, the 
nuclear power will replace it and therefore the Rothschilds have 
bought 80% of the world assets of Uranium. In this way they will 
have world control over energy, meaning it will never be free ...

So what is the esoteric knowledge taught on the higher grades of 
the Illuminati? Well, to the ignorant it might make no sense at 
all, or at least it will be hard to understand, but I'll try to 
give you some data anyway, at least for the purpose to inform 
you.
 


 


From: om/cf
To: Sister
Date: Tue Mar 12 18:16:12 2002

Message:
Thats a funny story LOOOOOOL! Lots of 'it is believed' 
and 'making us believe' in there. OOOOOOOO, spooooooky story 
hour. How nice. The 'all seeing eye'......Im getting scared now! 
Oh boy, 'secret goals', 'secret societies', all the makins' of a 
good horror story.

In the meantime, as time passed by, the "Brotherhood of the 
Snake" was infiltrated by the Draconian Master aliens 

WHEW!!! I guess Im safe for now, I havent got a clue as to what 
a Draconian Master alien could be, but it sure sounds evil. I 
bet the car salesmen see you coming. "Ya, it was owned by the 
most devout, little old Muslim lady from Pasadena. Honest. So we 
have a deal then. Great!"

From: Merlyn
To: Sister
Date: Tue Mar 12 18:35:27 2002

Message:
And your point is? I belong to an order that simply put, you 
cannot. As I would not belong to a Muslim Mosque. BFD. As for 
Free Masons. They are not witches nor do they practice occult. 
However thay do Drink beer! Lots of it! And so do I. Just 
sinful! 
  Get over it already. We don't care about the Freemasons. Have 
you gotten even one person to care? NO. so WTF?

From: om/cf
To: Sister who spams a lot
Subject: Would you be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge?
Date: Tue Mar 12 18:41:40 2002

Message:
I thought Muslims were not allowed to digest Spam? Your wolfin' 
it down like a big dog. LOL!!

From: om/cf
To: the Board
Subject: I think the INS needs a overhaul
Date: Tue Mar 12 18:52:14 2002

Message:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/12/inv.flight.school.visas/index.ht
ml#

Six months after Sept. 11, hijackers visas approval letters 
received
March 12, 2002 Posted: 5:08 PM EST (2208 GMT)

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Six months to the day after Mohamed Atta 
and Marwan Al-Shehhi flew planes into the World Trade Center, 
the Immigration and Naturalization Service notified a Venice, 
Florida, flight school that the two men had been approved for 
student visas. 

Rudi Dekkers of Huffman Aviation, where Atta, 33, and Al-Shehhi, 
23, first trained in July 2000, showed the yellow INS forms to 
CNN during an interview Monday. Dekkers said he was surprised to 
get the forms at such a late date.  
-----------------------------------------------------------------

If the average American did his or her job the way our goverment 
does it, we would all be FUCKING FIRED! Lets get on some 
goverment asses over some of this bullshit. They fucking work 
for us goddamit! We pay their fucking paychecks! I for one, dont 
want to see 9/11 happen again because of INS not having their 
shit together. Im doin some pissed off e-mails tonight.

From: SISTER
To: OM/CF AND MERLYN
Date: Tue Mar 12 19:07:32 2002

Message:
THERE WHERE PEOPLE HERE WHO DIDNT KNOW WHAT MASONS WHERE SO I 
GAVE THEM SOME INFO TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND ITS OK OC/MF YOU 
HAVE PROVED TO ME MANY TIMES THAT YOU WOULD RATHER FOLLOW EVIL 
THAN GOOD LOL SO AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED IF YOU ARE GONNA BE THAT 
IGNORENT THEN GO BURN.I HAVE BEEN READING MANY POSTS ON THE 
OTHER BOARDS THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN OC/MF YOU ARE A VERY RUDE 
PERSON YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR NO ONE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE ALL I 
DO SEE IS THAT WHEN I SPEAK THE TRUTH YOU ALL TRY SHUT ME UP LOL 
BECAUSE WHAT I SPEAK IS TRUTH AS FOR YOU MERLYN IT WOULDNT 
SUPPRISE ME IF YOU WHERE A MASON JUST TRYING TO COVER YOUR SICK 
WAYS UP AND MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I HAVE LOST MY HEAD BUT IN ACTUAL 
FACT YOU KNOW WHAT I SPEAK IS TRUTH LOL AND NOW YOU ALL KNOW WHY 
I WILL NEVER SURRENDER TO YOUR EVIL WAYS I WOULD RATHER STARV 
THAN HAVE ANY HELP FROM YOU PEOPLE ALL YOUR COUNTRY IS, IS 
SECRETS AND EVIL NOTHING ELSE LOL YOU ALL WALK PAST SYSMBOLS 
THAT REPRESENT YOUR EVIL EVERYDAY HELL THEY ARE EVEN ON TV WHEN 
YOU ARE WATCHING ITS JUST THAT THEY HAVE MANIPULATED YOU ALL AND 
BRAINWASHED YOU ALL TO MUCH TO SEE THAT,THAT IS YOU ANYWAY OM/CF 
AS FOR MERLYN YOU WOULD NO EXACTLEY WHAT IS GOING ON BUT LLIKE I 
SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE YOU FOLLOW THE SHATAN THEN HELL YOU 
BELONG WITH THE SHATAN.

From: NC Husband/?
To: om/cf
Subject: I think the INS needs a overhaul
Date: Tue Mar 12 19:19:54 2002

Message:
You are so right... How can people that work at the INS not be 
able to recognize names that have been all over the news for the 
last six months. I can't believe that of all the people that 
must have handled the paperwork, ON ONE was able to remember the 
names. There is a very serious problem with the intelligence 
tests that they use when hiring the people. I agree they should 
start from scratch

From: Justice
To: SISTER
Date: Tue Mar 12 19:40:13 2002

Message:
Have you been reading these websites too?
www.nationalenquirer.com and www.weeklyworldnews.com.

From: Our Freedom
To: SISTER
Date: Tue Mar 12 19:51:02 2002

Message:
You are one wacked out bitch.  Seek help please.

From: om/cf
To: N.C.H./?
Subject: I.N.S.
Date: Tue Mar 12 20:58:16 2002

Message:
Its almost unbelievable something like that could occur in the 
wake of the terror attacks, and you are right, if I saw the name 
Atta on the vest of a store employee at Walmart, it would get my 
attention! One would also logically think, any mail from the 
I.N.S. going to any flight school would be looked at pretty 
closely, but then again we're talking about common sense in a 
huge goverment agency, so that may be asking for a little too 
much. LOL!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Right said fred
Subject: Wrong said fred
Date: Tue Mar 12 20:07:09 2002

Message:
Is Bin Laden still alive? Excuse me, but WHY are you asking 
us?......you know full well he's alive..and well..and sluming it 
at YOUR house. Bet he hogs the bathroom in the mornings huh, 
gets first dibs at your wig, lipstick and mascara for his 
clandestine trips to the supermarket. As he embarks on his foray 
you cry, "..oh and make sure you get me some leg wax!"...to 
which he replies.. 

"ANYTHING...for the lady.."

Get the impression you've been missed?  

From: om/cf
To: Sister
Subject: In response
Date: Tue Mar 12 21:25:23 2002

Message:
ITS OK OC/MF YOU 
HAVE PROVED TO ME MANY TIMES THAT YOU WOULD RATHER FOLLOW EVIL 
THAN GOOD LOL SO AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED IF YOU ARE GONNA BE THAT 
IGNORENT THEN GO BURN.I HAVE BEEN READING MANY POSTS ON THE 
OTHER BOARDS THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN OC/MF YOU ARE A VERY RUDE 
PERSON YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR NO ONE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE ALL I 
DO SEE IS THAT WHEN I SPEAK THE TRUTH YOU ALL TRY SHUT ME UP LOL 
BECAUSE WHAT I SPEAK IS TRUTH 

Sister, that is some high horse you ride on, must be 15 hands at 
least. Just because I think your full of shit does not make me 
evil or LOL ignorant. I'll admit to being rude on occasion but 
this is the cyberworld, I am much worse in real life. For you to 
call ME rude is a joke. Respect? Thats a quality thats worked at 
and earned. Since you brought up being rude, lets take a look at 
how many times you make a statement in your posts and end it with
BECAUSE WHAT I SPEAK IS TRUTH. That IS rude.
Anyway, Im not interested in a bunch a soap opera bullshit 
cluttering up the board so I'll leave it at that for now.
 

From: COMMANDO
To: SISTA RAT
Date: Tue Mar 12 22:13:22 2002

Message:
Hon,

  Have you considered talking with someone who could prescribe 
psychtropic meds?  Haliperidone would help you.
  You might also request a MMPI-2; this is a test which will 
measure, among other things, your paranoia and masculine traits.
  Or is mental illness a tool of 'Shatan" too?
  Most of us on the board are probably wondering how you can be 
so mean-hearted, yet claim to be in God's favor.  Seems to me 
that you're so far away from God that you've learned to love your 
anger more than Him.

  Something for you meditate about.

  Ta Ta for now.   

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: omcf/Da Board
Subject: Da Grid/Our Afghan "allies"
Date: Tue Mar 12 23:23:38 2002

Message:
Did the grid.  I'm almost exactly in the middle! That's ok, I 
still think of myself as a liberal.I'm two spaces to the left of 
center and one space down from the middle (one space towards the 
LIbertarian). Pardon my ignorance, but who's Robin Cook ?  Seems 
I'm closest to him. He's a bit to the right and a tad less 
Libertarian.  But like me, according to the grid, almost plumb 
center. So. Did I hear right ? I'm late at work and FOX News was 
on and some "allied" Afghan commander is quoted as saying that 
the Americans are hurting the morale of his men because we don't 
know how to fight the Afghan way. Incredible. The Afghan way in 
Operation Anaconda: Tip off the enemy when you're comming, then 
when the mortars blow up your vehicles, run away and let the 
Americans, Brits and Aussies do the dirty work. The Afghan way 
at Tora Bora: Take American money, fire artillery at some caves, 
let enemy get away. Fuck  "the Afghan way".  Look, we really 
don't wanna stick around drinking green tea and we still have a 
buncha killin' to do.  So get with us or get the hell out of the 
way.

From: Rationalist
To: Anyone especially Franky
Subject: Palistine vs. Isreial
Date: Wed Mar 13 00:34:32 2002

Message:
What is the cause of the Palistine vs. Isralie(spelling?) 
conflict?  I know nothing about it at all.  Franky if you could, 
you seem to know a great deal about the region and what is going 
on there.  Can you tell me?  Anyone else who can post something 
to shed some light on the subject please do.  Thank you.

From: Zoton, King of The Mole People
To: SISTER
Date: Wed Mar 13 01:42:28 2002

Message:
Greetings.  My name is Zoton.  I come from a dimension void of 
color.  I have been chosen to the people of this board, and to 
chastize you for your lying and wicked ways.
  
  The early Egyptians were Martian descendents.  They were the 
origin of the Mediterranian peoples.  This is your lineage.

  Several of your centuries ago, the Martians agreed to join with 
the Pleadians in an attempt to conquer those of us who had 
colonized the back sector of Mars.  The idea was to enslaveus to 
build their buildings, teach their children, and operate their 
governments.  We were oppressed and abused if we refused to 
perform for them.

  I have been sent to your time and your dimension to warn the 
people of Earth of the evil being planned against them by SISTER 
and her organization.  Suffice to say that she is not really a 
human woman at all.  She is a nonhuman organic life form whose 
existence depends on turning people away from a religion which 
has been destroyed by hateful Earthmen such as Osama Bin Laden.

  I beseech each one of you:  do not allow her hate and 
wickedness to control 

From:
To: Daddy
Date: Wed Mar 13 01:59:32 2002

Message:
Daddy blows goats.    

From: SISTER
To: LOOOOOOOOOL
Date: Wed Mar 13 02:45:04 2002

Message:
WHATS WRONG BOYS CANT HANDLE WHATS REALLY GOING ON IN YOUR 
COUNTRY TO BE EXPOSED I HAVE ALOT MORE INFO LOL BUT I GUESS YOU 
WILL MAKE UP SOME BULLSHIT TO COVER THAT UP TO WONT YOU LOOOOOOL 
YOU BUNCH OF LOST SHEEP WHY DONT YOU GO AND SEARCH AND LEARN THE 
TRUTH FOR YOUR SELVES WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE ONCE YOUR DEAD 
YOU DONT GET SECOND CHANCE.

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From: COMMANDO
To: SISTER
Date: Wed Mar 13 03:15:53 2002

Message:
SPEAKING OF BULLSHIT, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT YOUR THREATENING TO 
KILL ME ON A BATTLEFIELD?  WERE YOU HIGH ON HEROIN MADE FROM THE 
POPPY FIELDS OF AFGHANISTAN?
  ASIDE FROM YOUR NARCISSISM AND YOUR ATTENTION-SEEKING 
BEHAVIOUR, I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT SOMEONE AS STUPID AS YOU WOULDN'T 
LAST FIVE (5) MINUTES ON A BATTLEFIELD.  YOU KUFFAR WALKING WASTE 
OF SPERM.  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!

From: SISTER
To: COMMANDO
Date: Wed Mar 13 03:26:05 2002

Message:
DONT EVER UNDERESTIMATE COMMANDO TO EVEN TRY KILL YOU WOULD NOT 
BE HARAM AS FOR ME SEEKING ATTENTION YOUR THE ONE WHO STARTED 
THIS WITH ME SO I WILL MAKE SUR I (WILL)FINISH IT I TOLD YOU 
MANY TIMES BIG TOUGH COMMANDO IM NOT SCARED OF YOU AND SORRY I 
AINT NO KUFFAR,KUFFAR 

From: COMMANDO
To: SISTA
Date: Wed Mar 13 03:35:33 2002

Message:
I STARTED WHAT?  YOU CAME ONTO THESE BOARDS, SPEWING YOUR 
VERBAL VOMIT, TELLING EVERY NON-MUSLIM PERSON THAT THEY ARE ALL 
WORTHLESS, AND THAT YOU SUPPORT BIN LADEN.
  FUNNY HOW YOU RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH, BUT THEN BITCH WHEN SOMEONE 
HOLDS YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR BEHAVIOUR.  I THOUIGHT YOU WERE A 
BIT MORE TOUGH-MINDED THAN THAT!
  AS TO YOUR OVERALL CHARACTER, I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU COME 
ACROSS AS SOMEONE WHO SERVES HERSELF MORE THAN SHEDOES GOD.  
YOU'RE CLEARLY SELFISH:  SELFISH ABOUT VALUING YOUR HATRED OF 
EVERYONE IN AMERICA/ENGLAND MORE THAN YOU DOGOD.  COME ON, 
SISTER:  YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ISLAM ANY MORE THAN AN ANT SPEAKS 
FOR A BEAR.  SISTA, IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU OPENED YOUR Q'URAN AND 
LOOKED FOR SPIRITUAL TRUTH AND MEANING, INSTEAD OF HATRED AND 
DESTRUCTION.  DO NOT EXPECT ME TO TAKE YOUR CRAP.  YOU MIGHT PUSH 
SOMEBODY ELSE ABOUT, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I WILL NEVER BE 
ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS.  LOOOOOOOOOO

From: COMMANDO
To: SISTA
Date: Wed Mar 13 03:43:10 2002

Message:
OH, YEAH, I ALMOST FORGOT:  YOU WERE WRONG WHEN YOU SAID YOU 
WERE GOING TO FINISH THIS.  JUST AS THE AL QAIDA WERE WRONG WHEN 
THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO FINISH THEIR FIGHT WITH THE 
AMERICANS.   LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!    

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From: SISTER
To: COMMANDO
Date: Wed Mar 13 03:54:41 2002

Message:
YOU BLABEL ALL SHIT NOTHING ELSE WHO AND WHEN DID I SAY I 
SUPPOET BIN LADEN MORON YOU KNOW TO BE QUIET HONEST OUT OF THE 
LOT OF YOU THE PERSON WITH THE MOST RESPECT WAS (FACTS FINDER)
HONESTLY MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A BIT OF LESSONS FROM HIM DONT 
YOU THINK COMMANDO?AS FOR WHAT LOL YOU THINK YOU WILL FINISH 
THIS COMMANDO I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT NOW FOOL IF IT 
WASNT FOR YOUR DEVIL WORSHIPPING LEADER GETTING HELP LIKE THE 
COWARD HE IS FROM ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES YOUR YANKY ASSES WOULD 
HAVE BEEN KICKED ALONG TIME AGO LOL BUT DONT WORRY WHAT I REALLY 
WANT TO SEE IS THE LOOK ON YOUR FACES WHEN ALL MUSLIMS DO UNITE 
COMMANDO I DONT THINK YOU REALLY KNOW HOW MANY MUSLIMS IN THIS 
WORLD THERE REALLY IS (ALHUMDULILLAH)DO YOU.WELL INSHA ALLAH 
SOON YOU ALL WILL UNTIL THEN I WILL KEEP EXPOSING YOUR SOCIETIES 
EVIL WAYS AND I REALLY COULD CARE LESS WHO LIKES IT OR NOT AS 
FOR TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM ISLAM JUST THE OTHER NIGHT AS A 
MATTER A FACT AFTER SPEAKING TO A WOMAN FROM ENGLAND SHE HAS NOW 
EMBRACED ISLAM (ALHUMDULILLAH)SO YOU SEE COMMANDO I ONLY TALK 
THIS WAY TO IGNORENT FOOLS LIKE YOU WHO COME ON TO BOARDS LIKE 
THESE AND TRY FIND EVERYTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT MUSLIMS BUT WHEN 
PEOPLE SHOW ME AND MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS RESPECT AND TREAT US 
THE WAY THEY WOULD EXPECT TO BE TREATED THEN ITS A DIFFERENT 
STORY.AND AS FOR YOU WONT BE PUSHED AROUND BY ME OR TAKE MY CRAP 
THAT IS LIKEWISE HERE AS WELL IF YOU ARE READY TO TRASH ME 
COMMANDO THEN BE READY TO COP IT BACK OR WHATS WRONG A MUSLIMAH 
HAS NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU THIS WAY BEFORE YOU DONT FEEL MANLY 
ENOUGH ANYMORE LOL COME ON COMMANDO I THOUGHT YOU SHOULD BE USE 
TO WOMEN WEARING THE PANTS IN THE RELATIONSHIPS IN YOUR COUNTRY 
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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From: Franky
To: Rationalist
Subject: Palestine and Israel
Date: Wed Mar 13 05:56:06 2002

Message:
When trying to understand the current conflict in Palestine it 
is important to recognize that it is not about religion.  
Jewish, Christian and Muslim Palestinians have been living 
together in complete harmony for well over 1,000 years.   Even 
when the Crusaders invaded Palestine 1,000 years ago, it was not 
about religion, since the Crusaders butchered the native 
Christian population along with the Palestinian Jews and 
Muslims, and the Christian Arabs fought alongside the Muslims 
and Jews to evict them.  

Only by treating the conflict as a battle between a colonialist 
state,  Israel , and an occupied, civilian population, the 
Palestinians, can current events make any sense.   Israel  was 
only created 52 years ago after a proclamation from England.  
The vast majority of the Jewish population immigrated to 
Palestine within the last 100 years.   Israel , is an apartheid, 
exclusionary state.  It has separate laws for native Arabs under 
occupation and for the Jewish colonizers who are living amongst 
them.   Jews are given preferential treatment in allocation of 
government resources as well, to the extent that Jewish colonies 
in Palestine are adorned with lush lawns and swimming pools 
while nearby Palestinian villages typically have their water cut 
off entirely for 3 or 4 days a week.  

Meanwhile, the Israeli government has done its utmost to expel 
as many Palestinians as possible from their native land.  
Palestinians who can trace continuous ancestral residence in 
Palestine for thousands of years, risk being disallowed from 
returning to their homes if they leave the country for any 
period of time, e.g. for college or visiting relatives.  
Meanwhile, Jews from the U.S. are granted automatic Israeli 
citizenship merely by being Jewish, even if they have never even 
seen a picture of Palestine in their whole life.  

The U.S. mainstream media has played a terribly biased role in 
this affair, portraying Israeli propaganda as if it were fact.  
When the assassination of a 12 year old Palestinian by Israeli 
snipers was captured by television, U.S. media claimed the boy 
was killed by  cross fire , even though all the eyewitnesses, 
including the photographer, insisted the shooting came entirely 
from the Israeli side.  In the meantime, Israelis have killed 
over 200 Palestinian civilians.  Rather than admonish the 
Israelis for gunning down unarmed civilians, mainstream media 
has opted for blaming the victim, even going as far as saying 
Palestinian mothers don t care about their children.  Of course 
Palestinian mothers care about their children as much as anyone 
else, and it is nothing short of racist to imply otherwise.  
But, how can one stop the human need to be free?  

The struggle of the Palestinians is a heroic one.  In spite of 
what the media says, their throwing of stones is entirely a 
symbolic gesture.  Yet, they are met with high velocity rounds 
of live bullets, missiles from tanks and machine-guns and 
missile fire from helicopter war ships.  This is not a means of 
crowd control, but nothing short of a massacre.  Yet, the U.S. 
media refuses to call it so.  

The current conflict is a result of the realization by the 
Palestinians that the recent  peace process  was nothing more 
than a means to put them all in  self-administered  
reservations.  These were nothing more than the apartheid 
Bantustans of South Africa that the entire world rejected a few 
years ago.   According to the peace process, the Palestinians 
were given a handful of cities to administer.  But, the Israelis 
controlled all the land surrounding the cities.  So, no one 
could leave or enter the cities without Israeli permission.  In 
addition, the Israelis sealed off the Palestinian cities on 
several occasions, thereby crippling the Palestinian economy.  

The Palestinians have had enough.  People on the street are now 
saying they can t take the humiliation any more, and they are 
willing to die fighting for their liberation.   Meanwhile, in 
the U.S. and the rest of the world, a call is being made for 
financial divestment from  Israel  to pressure them to respect 
the human rights of the Palestinians.  


From: Franky
To: I have 60 questions to ask the Christians
Subject: I spoke nicely and not offended you please please reply back to me
Date: Wed Mar 13 06:02:33 2002

Message:
"As for those who Divide their Religion and break up into Sects, 
thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with 
Allaah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they 
did."(Holy Qur'aan 6: 159) 
 
60 Questions For The Christians
TRINITY
According to most Christians, Jesus was God-incarnate, full man 
and full God. Can the finite and the infinite be one? "To be 
full" God means freedom from finite forms and from helplessness, 
and to be "full man" means the absence of divinity.

1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be 
no one s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and 
divinity altogether?

2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote 
him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". 
Didn t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it 
says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, 
has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY 
TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?

3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of 
God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in 
the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as 
Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God 
was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their 
language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 
8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God s anointed" and 
not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the 
anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals 
were given that title too without being gods. So where is the 
proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not 
exclusively used for him alone?

4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were 
one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my 
father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his 
followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did 
they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other 
five "ones?

5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at 
a time?

6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three 
could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then 
when Jesus was on earth, he wasn t a complete God, nor was 
the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn t that contradict what 
Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord 
and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete 
god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed 
resurrection?

7.If God is one and three at a time, then who was the God in 
heaven when Jesus was on earth? Wouldn t this contradict his 
many references to a God in Heaven that sent him?

8.If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in 
Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the 
claimed resurrect ion?

9.Christians say that: "The Father(F) is God, the Son(S) is God, 
and the Holy Ghost(H) is God, but the Father is not the Son, the 
Son is not the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is not the 
Father". In simple arithmetic and terms therefore, if F = G, S = 
G, and H = G, then it follows that F = S = H, while the second 
part of the statement suggests that F   S   H (meaning, "not 
equal"). Isn t that a contradiction to the Christian dogma of 
Trinity in itself ?

10.If Jesus was God, why did he tell the man who called 
him "good master" not to call him "good" because accordingly, 
there is none good but his God in Heaven alone?

11.Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in 
three when Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one 
Lord" in as many places as yet in the Bible?

12.If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for 
being a Christian, why didn t Jesus teach and emphasize it to 
the Christians during his time? How were those followers of 
Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term 
Trinity? Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, 
Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have 
taught and explained it in detail to the people.

13.Christians claim that Jesus was God as they quote in John 
1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, 
and the Word was God". This is John speaking and not Jesus. 
Also, the Greek word for the first occurrence of God is HOTHEOS 
which means "the God" or "God" with a capital "G", while the 
Greek word for its second occurrence is "TONTHEOS", which 
means "a god " or "god" with a small "g". Isn t this dishonesty 
and inconsistency on the part of those translating the Greek 
Bible? ? Isn t such quotation in John 1:1 recognized by every 
Christian scholar of the Bible to have been written by a Jew 
named Philo Alexandria way before Jesus and John?

14.Wasn t the word "god" or "TONTHEOS" also used to refer to 
others as well as in II Corinthians 4:4 "(and the Devil is) the 
god of this world" and in Exodus 7:1 "See , I have made thee 
(Moses ) a god to Pharaoh"?


SALVATION:
Christians say that "GOD LOST His only son to save us". To whom 
did God lose Jesus if he owns the whole universe?

15. If it was agreeable with God s Majesty to have sons, He 
could have created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is 
the big clear deal about this only son?

16.Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, 
when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have 
you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?

17. If God had wanted to save us, couldn t He have done that 
without sacrificing Jesus?

18. God is Just, and justice requires that nobody should be 
punished for the sins of others, nor should some people be saved 
by punishing other people. Doesn t the claim that God sacrificed 
Jesus to save us because He was Just, contradict the definition 
of justice?

19. People sacrifice things they have to get something they 
don t have when they can t have both. Christians say that "God 
SACRIFICED His only son to save us". We know that God is 
Almighty; to whom did He sacrifice Jesus?

20. A real sacrifice is when you can t get back what you have 
offered , so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice 
if God could recover the same offering? (according to the 
Christians  terminology)?

21. If all the Christians are saved through Jesus and are going 
to Heaven no matter what they do, then the teachings of Jesus 
are irrelevant and the definition of good and bad are also 
rendered irrelevant. If this is not so, then do Christians who 
believe in Jesus yet do not follow his teachings nor repent go 
to Hell?

22. How can Christians take deeds as irrelevant after becoming 
one when Jesus says in Matthew 12:36; "But I say unto you that 
every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account 
thereof in the Day of Judgment. For by the words thou shalt be 
justified, and by the words thou shalt be condemned"?

23. Christians say that people go to Heaven ONLY THROUGH JESUS, 
yet Paul says in 1 CORINTHIANS 7:8-16 that the unbelieving 
husband is acceptable to God because he is united with his wife 
and vice versa, and their pagan children are also acceptable to 
God. So people can go to heaven without believing in Jesus 
according to this.

24. How come the Bible says that ALL Israel is saved although 
they don t believe in Jesus? Doesn t that contradict the claim 
in the Bible that the only way to heaven is through Jesus?

25. According to Christians, those who have not been baptized 
will go to Hell. So even the infants and babies go to Hell if 
not baptized, since they are born with an inherited original 
sin. Doesn t this contradict the definition of justice? Why 
would God punish people for sins they never committed?


HOLY SPIRIT:
The only place in the Bible where the Paraclete was called the 
Holy Spirit is in John 14:26 "But the Paraclete, the Holy 
Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you 
all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to 
you". What has the Holy Spirit brought or taught for the last 
2000 years?

26.Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 
14;26). Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the 
Paraclete will not come to you". This could not mean the Holy 
spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there before 
Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with 
the Holy Spirit". Here, the Holy spirit was also present during 
Jesus life time. So how could this fit with the condition that 
Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?  

27.In John 16:7-8, it says: "But if go, I will send him to you. 
And when he comes, he will convict the world of sins and of 
righteousness and of Judgment". What do "he" and "him" refer 
here? Don t they refer to a man?

28.Does the Holy Spirit talk to good Christians and bad 
Christians as well? Is the Holy spirit with them all the time or 
just at certain times? When does it start visiting a person who 
wants to become a Christian?

29.How can you as a Christian tell if the Holy Spirit is inside 
another Christian? How come many Christians fooled people by 
claiming that the Holy spirit was inside them only to be 
converted to another religion later on ?

30.Does the Holy Spirit dictate what Christians should do 
without choice or freedom at all or does it only guide them and 
they have the freedom to follow or not ?

31.If the Holy Spirit dictates what Christian should do, why do 
Christians commit sins and make mistakes ? How can you explain 
the conversion to other religions and atheism of many 
Christians? Are they told to do that by the Holy Spirit?

32.If the Holy Spirit guides Christians only, and they are free 
to do what they want, then how do we know that the writers of 
the Gospels didn t make mistakes in writing them?

33.If Christians believe that the Holy Spirit comes and talks to 
them everyday, why don t they ask the Holy Spirit about which 
version of the Bible to follow since there are too many versions 
floating around?


MISSION OF JESUS:
 Without borrowing from other religions and systems, can 
Christianity provide people with a complete way of life? Since 
Christianity is limited to spiritual life and does not provide 
law, how can a society decide which laws are right or wrong?

34.Why do the Christians say that Jesus came with a universal 
mission when he said that he was sent to the Jews only? He said 
to the Canaanite woman who asked him to heal her daughter from 
demon-possession: "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel" 
and also said: "It is not right to take the children s bread and 
toss it to their dogs", Matthew 15:21-28.


RESSURECTION:
If you read Matthew (28:1-10), Mark (16:1-20), Luke (24:1-12), 
and John (20: 1-18), you will find contradicting stories. They 
all agreed that the tomb was guarded for three days. However, 
they reported the discovery of the empty tomb differently.

Matthew (28) and John (20) reported that Mary Magdalene and the 
other Mary were the first to discover the tomb. 

Mark (16) reports that Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, 
and Salome were the first to discover the empty tomb. 

Mark (28) reports that there was an earthquake that removed the 
rock from over the tomb. He says that an angel caused it. The 
other gospels do not mention of an earthquake. 

Matthew and Mark say that only ONE man in white clothes was 
sitting on the tomb when the woman arrived, and that he was an 
angel. 

Luke says that TWO men in white clothes, who were angels, were 
sitting. Johns says that the two women did not meet anybody the 
first time they came to the tomb, but when they returned, they 
saw TWO people, ONE was an ANGEL, and the other was JESUS. 

Matthew reports that when the guards reported this to the chief 
priest, the chief priest paid them a large sum of money, telling 
them: "You have to say that his disciples came at night and 
stole his body." He claims that the soldiers took money and 
spread the story around and since then, the story had been 
circulating among the Jews until today (according to Matthew). 
The other gospels do not report of any such thing. 

35. Which narration now is more authentic?

36.Why is the appearance of Jesus after the crucifixion taken as 
a proof of his resurrection when there is an explanation that he 
was not dead because someone else was crucified in his place 
when God saved Him?

37.How did Matthew know of the claimed agreement between the 
soldiers and the chief priest? Can t someone say that someone 
paid the women a large sum of money and told them to spread the 
word around that Jesus rose from the dead, with the same 
authenticity as that of the story of Matthew?

38.Why did they believe that man in the white clothes? Why did 
they believe he was an angel? John s narration is too strange, 
since he says that Mary did not recognize Jesus (one of the two) 
while talking to him, and she only recognized him when he called 
her by her name.

39.How does an empty tomb prove that Jesus was crucified ? Isn t 
it that God is capable of removing another man from the tomb, 
and of resurrecting him too?

40.The Gospels are believed to be the verbatim words of God, 
they are supposed to be dictated by the Holy Spirit to the 
Disciples who wrote them. If the source were the same, why 
shouldn t they correspond with each other in reporting such an 
important event?

41.How could Matthew, Mark, Luke and John be considered 
eyewitnesses of resurrection when the Bible implies that nobody 
at all saw Jesus coming out of the tomb?


BIBLE:
If the Christians consider the Old Testament as God s Word, why 
did they cancel the parts of the Old Testament that dealt with 
punishment (example: the punishment for adultery)?

42.Why doesn t Mark 16:9-20 exist in as many versions of the 
Bible while it exists as a footnote or between brackets in some 
other versions? Is a footnote in the Bible still considered as 
God s word, especially when it addresses an important feature 
like the Ascension?

43.Why does the Catholic Bible contain 73 books while the 
Protestant Bible has only 66? With both claiming to have the 
complete Word of God, which one should be believed and why?

44.Where do those new translations of the Bible keep coming from 
when the original Bible is not even available ? The Greek 
manuscripts which are translations themselves are not even 
similar with each other.

45.How can you take two gospels from writers who never met 
Jesus, like Mark and Luke?

46.Why is half of the New Testament written by a man who never 
even met Jesus in his lifetime? PAUL claimed with no proof that 
he had met Jesus while on his way from Jerusalem to Damascus. 
PAUL was the main enemy of Christianity. Isn t that reason 
enough to question the authenticity of what he wrote? Why do the 
Christians call those books of the Old Testament "God s Word" 
when the revisors of the RSV Bible say that some of the authors 
are UNKNOWN? They say that the author of SAMUEL is "UNKNOWN" and 
that of CHRONICLES is "UNKOWN, PROBABLY COLLECTED AND EDITED BY 
EZRA"!


CONTRADICTIONS:
47.Concerning the controversial issues in the Bible, how can 
Christians decide by two-thirds majority what is God s Word and 
what is not, as the prefaces of some Bibles say like that one of 
the RSV ?

48.Why does Luke in his gospel report the Ascension on Easter 
Day, and in the Acts, in which he is recognized as the author, 
FORTY days later?

49.The genealogy of Jesus is mentioned in Matthew and Luke only. 
Matthew listed 26 forefathers from Joseph to David while Luke 
enumerated 41 forefathers. Only Joseph matches with Joseph in 
those two lists. Not a single other name matches! If these were 
inspired by God word by word, how could they be different? Some 
claim that one is for Mary and one is for Joseph, but where does 
it says Mary in those two Gospels?

50.If Moses wrote the first books of the Old Testament, how 
could Moses write his own obituary? Moses died in the fifth book 
at age 120 as mentioned in Deut. 34:5-10.

51.In the King James Version, why does it report SEVEN years of 
famine in II SAMUEL 24:13 while it reports THREE years of famine 
in I CHRONICLES 21:12? Why did they change both to THREE years 
in the New International Version and other versions?

52.Still In the same King James Version, why does it say that 
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign in II 
CHRONICLES 21:12, while it says EIGHTEEN years in II KINGS 24:8? 
Why did thessey change in both to EIGHTEEN in the new Versions?

53.In all versions, why does it say that David slew the men of 
SEVEN HUNDRED chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand 
HORSEMEN as evidenced in II Samuel 10:18 while its says SEVEN 
THOUSAND men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand 
FOOTMEN, in I CHRONICLES 19:18?

54.In all versions, why does it report TWO thousand baths in I 
KINGS 7:26 while II CHRONICLES 4:5 reports THREE THOUSAND?

55.In the King James version, why does it report that Solomon 
had FOUR THOUSAND stalls for horses in II CHRONICLES 9:25 while 
it accounts that Solomon had FORTY THOUSAND stalls of horses in 
1 KINGS 4:26? Why did they change both to FOUR THOUSAND in the 
new versions?

56.In GENESIS 1, God s creation progresses from grass to trees 
to fowls, whales, cattle and creeping things and finally to man 
and woman. GENESIS 2, however, puts the creation of man before 
cattle and fowl and woman subsequent to beast. How can this be 
explained?

QUR AN AND CHRISTIANS
This section does not inquire or interrogate, but rather 
provides the reader with some of the Qur anic verses that 
address the Christians in particular, and the people of the 
scripture in general. A great portion of the Qur an pertains to 
or involves the Christians and the Jews and I decided to just 
choose verses that are related to the topic of this manuscript.
 

"Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of 
Adam. He created him of dust, then said unto him: Be, and he 
was." Al-Qur an 3:59. 

"Say: