http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76122,00.html

Now if the stupid sucker would just put his glasses on strait he 
just might be able to FIND something in Iraq! LMAO!

Marie: Yep, I was the dumb f**k who couldn't type facility 
correctly..as if you hadn't guessed.

nameless: Re: Your post.

From: 
To: 
Date: Tue Jan 14 20:48:56 2003 
Message:
eye kan spel fiiiiine. itsjustthepuncuationihaveaproblemwith

Perfect.

Merlyn: Following the action taken at the said Mosque a 
leader/spokesman for that particular mosque spouted the expected 
hot air and nonsense about it's sanctity as a "house of god" on 
an evening news programme. During a three-way discussion he 
assumed the Labour MP who was justifying that action was a 
Jewish MP, with a Jewish 'agenda'. The MP smirked a little on 
hearing this. When the discussion finally turned back to him he 
replied with a wry smile, "I'm not Jewish." Geeez, I dunno some 
people blame Jews for everything.:)

Not having followed the season at all, I see Tampa and Oakland 
will contest things this year. Whichever team's down by half-
time gets my support. When it comes to sporting contests I 
always vote for the underdog.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/26662
83.stm

I challenge anyone here to provide legitimate proof that Iraq 
supports terrorism, because that's the real reason why we're 
going to war with them. Do you all realize how many Iraqi 
civilians could die in this American Crusade?

Do you know how many Iraq civilians have already died at the 
hand of Saddam? And how inhumane he is? He uses torture and 
chemical weapons on his own people and invades other countries. 
THAT"S WHY THE NO FLY ZONES. Need more proof???? 
   Kim suck Dung is 2ND runner up for inhumanist of the year!

Well, the keg (Sam Adams) is ready and we will have stromboli to 
eat for the game. I vote for Oakland, it seems like a good match 
up.
  I cast a new years prediction and I got a mixed bag. Seems 
there is a new factor (N.Korea) and the outcome is still in the 
air, so to speak. So much is happening the stones gave me 
a "need to check later" reading on the Future. So I will check 
later. They did warn on the unknown factor being a real problem. 
So we may see Kim suck Dung jumping in and causing trouble, or 
perhaps some other factor may play out a role in this Iraq mess. 
We shall see. 
  Merlyn   

I don't think he'd be stupid enough to ever do such a thing 
again. If he does, however, support terrorism then I do agree 
we have to do something about it. But no one can show provide 
me any hardcore evidence that he does; like reputable news 
sources or documents. Until that happens, I don't think we 
should risk the loss of life.

I whole heartedly agree, that we shouldn't allow our boys to 
fight over oil. And the loss on either side would be a tragic 
waste. But.. we have to remember that Saddam has been cooped up 
for the past 13 (?) years as not to allow him to do harm. The 
Muslims continue to speak loudly of their desire to kill us all 
and let Alalalah sort us out. And they do so boldly in many 
countries. This all hasn't just been our imagination. The world 
has supplied Saddam with plenty, of everything, to spread out 
amoung his people, yet he has not done so until now. Long before 
the sanctions America supported Iraq, army and all, against 
Iran, only to find we had created yet another back biting 
monster. 
   My gut tells me we will walk in, no real war, just walk in. 
But I will reserve my view untill a bit later, when I read into 
this mess what will happen. Much has changed in the past few 
months, and the outcome as well. 

Ooooooh, yes Scotty yes!!! I will meet you at Burger King and 
swallow every inch of your Whopper!!! OH MY GOD how you big 
strong weapons inspectors get me HOT!! And all that talk of 
enriched plutonium just makes me quiver in anticipation!!! You 
are so hot Scotty-hotty and smart too, really really SMART!!!
See you soon loverboy!!Puhleeeeese don't be late!!!
XOXOXOXO

P.S. Wear your blue U.N. inspector hat, it makes me double horny!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030121/wl_nm/iraq_shields_dc_2

I say let them line up, mustard gas them all and blame it on 
Saddam.

I challenge you to provide proof that they don't support 
terrorism and mustard gassing their own people!

http://www.stinkymonkeytattoos.com

GO  FUCK YOURSELF !!!

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL GET LAID!!!!!!!!!!

british people are fuckin weird, go piss on prince charlie

pee pee

A fiesty one! I just thought you might like some good ink, 
that's all. It wasn't dirty, or anything like that. In fact that 
is one of the best tat shops in the world! And you get all mad 
at me! Man, kids these days! try to be nice......... and they 
won't fuck ya' 

I think it was really just "X" gettng jealous

As if I care about your opinion.

Well I confess to the original Kara to Scott "SuperInspector" 
Ritter post. Slow day at work. It just busts me up that the all 
knowing Ritter got caught, not once but twice, soliciting 
underage girls on the internet. I fully expect a "I never tried 
to seduce that policewoman pretending to be a teenager" 
Clintonian style denial statement soon. I had wondered why 
Ritter was such a outspoken Iraqi supporter for so long then 
suddenly went silent. Funny how getting arrested for something 
really degrading will do that. Perhaps he got caught inspecting 
young girls while in Iraq and the Iraq's used it against him in 
exchange for positive propoganda from a former inspector. I hate 
the motherfucker, does it show?

Oakland 34   Tampa Bay 24

(I side with the old farts and their experience. I guess coach 
Gruden was well worth the four draft choices Tampa gave up to 
get him. His team last year and his team this year, both in the 
big show.)

From the Muslims, Catholics and Internet pedifiles, WHAT THE 
FUCK? And just take a look at Sudan, Africa is getting no better 
now that the Muslims and their civil wars keep tearing up the 
society. If you are not a Rag monkey then you are all of the 
above (infidel). Islamic Muslim=BIGOT! they make the Jews look 
like Martin Luther KING!  Just one word...'reformation'.. and 
NOW. 

Oakland 24    Tampa Bay 14
   they only have a week to rest. Lower score likely. 

And I issue a direct challenge to you: considering that Saddam 
has murdered many of his own people by gassing them, and that he 
has threatened the people of the U.S., what if you're wrong?  
What if he IS working on WMD?  And what if he IS close to nuclear 
weapons launch capability?  What would you say then?  Oops?  
You'll understand if I don't shed any tears over your worn-out 
and nonsensical rhetoric.  Bitch if you want to, but know that I 
have that same right.    
      

BTW, did you know that most Iraqis hate Saddam, and want him out 
of power?  Pretty common knoweledge around the world, actually...      
       

helo mr Rudy
how are you, what do you think if amerika will be attact 
afganistan. are we the country of islam will be help afganistan?
are you have a boy friend. i'm sorry i want to know about your 
university and i want to know you too
if you want to call me
call :022 7216061
      jhoni s
      Bandung

merlyn maaf yach soalnya aku bilang rudy, boleh gak salam ke 
rudy damanik jurusan tehnik mesin. salam dari temannya jhoni 
dari bandung sory ya agak melenceng
see you

I have a feeling action in Iraq will nowhere near as warlike as 
it could be. Its just a feeling. Saddam may not back down and 
any preliminary bombing deaths will be on his head, but I 
suspect we will see mass surrenders as our troops enter Iraq, if 
it comes to that. This may end up a true liberation. Regardless 
of the how's and why's I'd like to see this Iraq mess settled 
once and for all. The sooner, the better for U.S. economy.

There is no proof that Saddam is working on weapons of mass 
destruction, and he has no means of delivering any warhead to the 
U.S. The only thing he does have is a hatred of Israel, and our 
sons and daughters may have to die once again on behalf of the 
Jews, even though they have their own military, and weapons of 
mass destruction.
 You will only find on this board war mongers, who do not care 
who has to die, as long as there is death, and more death for 
them to drool over. They hate themselves, and they hate each 
other. 

This war is not about fighting "once again on behalf of the 
Jews".  We never did so before, so how could we be doing so "once 
again"?  Besides, this war is about removing a very real threat 
to the U.S. and other Western nations.  If you haven't figured 
that out by now, you never will.  BTW, it's funny how a 
Jew-basher like you has the "chutzpah" to call people on this 
board "war mongers"; you might spend more time dealing with your 
hypocrisy, and less time dealing with those of us who ain't 
perfect like yourself.     
              

Yeah, I agree that this war needs to be settled quickly and 
decisively.  I wonder if Saddam is taking a passive-aggressive 
approach toward us by making us spend billions of dollars and 
countless man-hours in tactics, logistics, and shaking the 
economy to some degree.  I know that when we do finally go in 
some blood will be spilt, but I believe that that stupid SOB will 
either be exiled or put to death (finally) as a result.  Whoever 
replaces the old geezer probably won't head up a government as 
free as that of the U.S. or England, but it still has to be 
better than the worthless oppressive machine currently in place.  
So now that my much-beloved Steelers are "one-and done" in the 
playoffs, who do you pick to win the Superbowl?  I gotta go 
w/Tampa.       
      

u r gonna get my fist right up yer cahoney! I want you to come 
down to my cell where I will fuckin beat you to near death and 
then I'll fuck your empty eye socket. 

No, we won't find them in Iraq. Seems strange I didn't see it 
sooner. Saddam knew all too well what Bush Jr. could do. The 
danger is we may well have our troops in Iraq, bombing the sand 
monkeys, while Syria and other countries use Saddams stockpile 
of weapons. That is where they are. Not in Iraq. Kim suck dung 
is just a confused communist in the last days of his kind of 
government. Even S.Korea won't budge on that issue and China is 
there only friend. But China knows better and will not risk war. 
The immense build up isn't to attack just Iraq, it is for much 
more. Whether they know it or not.

now let's se


e how long we can keep it that way!




Above posted 2 lines only cause Board Goat going out to a 
business meeting now. 

Well, let's play war room for just a second. Let's suppose that 
Iraq plays George Bush out, stalling as long as he can. Then we 
look at the map. GW has his entire fleet floating in the Persian 
Gulf, surrounded by Saudi Arabia and Iran. Let's just think 
here, that Saddam watched the last war on his home video and 
figured out the obvious. Sure he cannot show he destroyed the 
weapons, because he didn't. Nor does he have them anymore. In 
fact he gave them away...to Saudi Arabia and Iran, who knew full 
well that given a nudge (9-11) George would come a sailin' into 
port at Kuwait, just like his Daddy. Then take a look at 
Syria..Right in place to wipe Israel right off the map and into 
the Mediterranean Sea. Turkey, Egypt and the Soviet Union remain 
Neutral, closing the trap. Now who has who in a trap? 
   And that is the unknown factor, I now see all too clearly. As 
also the recent past, using Afghanistan as a deliberate drain on 
our economy and to slow down the inevitable long enough for 
Saddam to make his needed deals. 
   It is becoming very clear why the rest of the world, allies 
included see this very same destabilizing factor.

Now THAT is one classy board name.  Unfortunately for you, 
you're incapable of putting a "fist up (my) cahoney.  What's a 
cahoney?  Sounds like an Italian entree to me.  Cahoney 
Scallopini with pesto sauce.  Anyway, bitch, you can't throw a 
fist very effectively.  You're a dog, you see, and as such a 
creature you lack opposable thumbs.  Also, because you are a 
bulldog, you have asthma, which means you get winded easily.  
From activities not related to fighting, I'd imagine.  And then 
there's the chronic drooling problem commonly associated with 
your breed.  And the short life expectency associated with your 
kind.  You'd have been better off being born a boxer.  Now GO 
BACK AND GET IT RIGHT!!!        
       

Message:
Ooooooh, yes Scotty yes!!! I will meet you at Burger King and 
swallow every inch of your Whopper!!! OH MY GOD how you big 
strong weapons inspectors get me HOT!! And all that talk of 
enriched plutonium just makes me quiver in anticipation!!! You 
are so hot Scotty-hotty and smart too, really really SMART!!!
See you soon loverboy!!Puhleeeeese don't be late!!!
XOXOXOXO

P.S. Wear your blue U.N. inspector hat, it makes me double horny!
================================================================
Who the fuck is Scott Ritter and who the fuck cares? Go jump 
yourself off a cliff.

Hey 44. Don't forget to whack him with a newspaper every now and 
then.     
            

Thread is already befouled!!!
HAHAHAHA
(I am nice really - if you start splicing down time sectors into 
little pieces)

I am NOT nice. I am pissed off at everything. THAT FUCKIN' PISSES 
ME OFF! Now I gotta go around like the asshole that I am, 
bitching and whining about every damn thing. Last night my bitch 
wife told me to go sleep in the guest bedroom. I fucking got her 
back though: I TOOK HER BATTERIES ACROSS THE HALL AND TOLD THE 
BUXOM BLONDE 19 YR. OLD THAT MY WIFE WOULDN'T NEED HER BATTERIES 
ABD THAT SHE (THE BLONDIE) COULD HAVE THEM. She tells me thanks 
asshole and FUCKING SLAMS THE GODDAMMED DOOR IN MY FACE. So now 
I have two ladies that think I'm an asshole and the blonde 
neighbor is laughing at me because my wife is FUCKING PISSED OFF 
ABOUT SOME GODDAMMED THING OR OTHER AND WOULD RATHER GIVE HER 
VIBRATOR HEAD THAN EVEN TALK TO ME. Bitch wife (redundant) tells 
bitch neighbor that I can't get it up (bullshit designed to 
FUCKING PISS OFF ANY FORMERLY SANE FUCKING MAN) and thats why she 
has the FUCKING VIBRATOR! FUCK the batteries/FUCK the 2 CUNTS/and 
FUCKING FUCK THE FUCK OUT OF FUCKING ME!!!



             FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!   

I am NOT nice. I am pissed off at everything. THAT FUCKIN' 
PISSES 
ME OFF! Now I gotta go around like the asshole that I am, 
bitching and whining about every damn thing. Last night my bitch 
wife told me to go sleep in the guest bedroom. I fucking got her 
back though: I TOOK HER BATTERIES ACROSS THE HALL AND TOLD THE 
BUXOM BLONDE 19 YR. OLD THAT MY WIFE WOULDN'T NEED HER BATTERIES 
ABD THAT SHE (THE BLONDIE) COULD HAVE THEM. She tells me thanks 
asshole and FUCKING SLAMS THE GODDAMMED DOOR IN MY FACE. So now 
I have two ladies that think I'm an asshole and the blonde 
neighbor is laughing at me because my wife is FUCKING PISSED OFF 
ABOUT SOME GODDAMMED THING OR OTHER AND WOULD RATHER GIVE HER 
VIBRATOR HEAD THAN EVEN TALK TO ME. Bitch wife (redundant) tells 
bitch neighbor that I can't get it up (bullshit designed to 
FUCKING PISS OFF ANY FORMERLY SANE FUCKING MAN) and thats why 
she 
has the FUCKING VIBRATOR! FUCK the batteries/FUCK the 2 
CUNTS/and 
FUCKING FUCK THE FUCK OUT OF FUCKING ME!!!



             
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!   
=================================================================
Don't worry about it. Jesus Christ is back in London.

He watches Ozzy too much

He watches Ozzy too much
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
hehehe yes it is true.

HaHa actually no I had no clue it was you!
And once again after being off here for a few days I'm totally 
lost again lol...

I'm sorry but that poor man looks like he needs a good rest! He 
cant hold his head up any longer, you almost cant understand him 
anymore (Even with a translator), the translator even takes a 
while to translate what he is saying! I just feel bad for him 
every time I see him! He just looks so tired!  

Would it not be the, oh how can I put this, well I will use Joke 
although it's not a joke and all but...We (And our allies of 
course) have this massive Military buildup, all eyes and fingers 
are pointing at Saddam! Just when it looks like we are ready to 
strike Iraq, We "Really" wind up striking lets say another 
terrorist riddled country in the imediate vicinity! Which we 
have been keeping and eye on all this time also, scare the shit 
out of Saddam, he goes into excile, whatever new government 
takes over and gets rid of all his WMD, and the country who is 
least expecting it, gets it, we eliminate maybe not 1 but 2 
maybe 3 threats at the same time! That would be the best kept 
secret Washington would EVER have kept! However I know that's 
not the case, but whoa lol...

Dead dude: Hey now, steady! As you're fairly new to the board 
I'll re-cap about Mr.Ritter, because his name's been mentioned 
here previously. Over the last couple of years he has been 
pleading Saddam Hussein's case in as far as the alleged 
concealment of mass destructive weaponary is concerned, when 
it's been out of fashion to do so. As oppposed to now, where 
it's almost the in thing. If he's literaly got caught with his 
trousers down, well it serves him right.

All: A few Brits, of which some here maybe aware, are due to fly 
over to Iraq as human shields to stand "side by side with the 
Iraqi people". In as far as it goes, that's noble enough I 
suppose, except for the fact that the real upshot can only be a 
propaganda coup for Hussein free of charge. "Oh.." people 
say, "..I know Saddam Hussein's a viscious tyrant"..etc, 
etc.."but it's the Iraqi people we're concerned about. Fine. But 
then how else is he going to be removed from power? The British 
and U.S. governemnts fucked up, when they considered and 
proceeded, to support Hussein against Iran back in the 70's. 
Easy to say in hindsight. The unavoidable fact is that he has to 
be dealt with at some point. On balance I'm FOR military action 
in Iraq, against the tide of opinion in the U.K at present, so 
long as Iraq is certain to have a large degree of autonomy over 
it's oil resources after any conflict.  

It's easy to be cynical and say that the Bush family and their 
influential supporters just want the oil. It's down to President 
Bush should he win a second term to PROVE that he and his 
administration will intervene in Iraq to build a nation, not 
just plunder it. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on 
this one. If, the main reason for action in Iraq is indeed just 
securing the oil, I have no doubt that the consequences will be 
dire for all of us, regardless of who we are or where we live.

Not being completely devoid of cynicism, if by some miracle a 
second U.N. resolution is passed, the French may join in any 
military effort, if for no better reason than to not miss out on 
any post-war military contracts that are up for grabs.   
   

I set up a glass house and decided I'd throw a stone from it. 
Not a good idea.

you bloody fool, never mind you, do you want my thing in your 
face?

i will rub my thing in your face, how about that?

shut your fuckin pussy face

I've thought (first mistake) for some time the military buildup 
in the M.E. will serve several purposes. Saddam being the 
headliner maybe. But also it has sorted friends from potential 
enemies, and not only in the middle east (thank you Germany and 
France for nothing). Also our armed forces are now within 
striking distance of anything that needs to be struck when (not 
if) Islamic terrorism hits the west again. Increased cooperation 
(corraling their own nutters) from middle eastern countries is 
another plus. If there is one thing they respect about the U.K. 
and U.S. it is the fact we could now shit-stomp any one their 
asses if need be. Just a few of the downsides are our troops 
being sitting ducks on the terrorists home turf and the cost to 
an already struggling economy. Money well spent for future peace 
hopefully. Iraq 2003: "The Mother of all Surrenders" tm. Eat 
your hearts out Frenchies, take notes!

Sing to the tune of 'If you're happy and you know it'


If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.

If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.

It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's all the proof we need,
If they're not there, they must be there,
Bomb Iraq.

If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
And he tried to kill your dad,
Bomb Iraq.

If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.

Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

I will break every fuckin bone in your body then fuck you with 
my bone. Then i'll go round yer moms and fuck her till she farts 
or passes out on my whiskey breath!

Authorities placed plastic bags over his head, beat hhim, 
tortured him, until finally to put a stop to it all the 
man 'confessed' to a crime he didn't commit.  

Some backward foreign country?  

No right here in 'civilized' America, in the great state of 
Illinois.

After  spending 20 years on death row, DNA evidence confirmed 
his innocence and the man is now free.

Perhaps we should look to our own affairs and set them in order 
before sticking our noses in other people's business.

If war does occur I can only hope that it is quick and decisive. 
Ideally, the U.N. weapons inspectors should be given all the 
time they need to do their job. If they find nothing more during 
that time, provided Hussein has been co-operative, any deployed 
British forces should come back, end of story. If it becomes 
plain however that Hussein is being deliberately obstructive and 
not co-operative, that alone is a breach of the first U.N. 
resolution. Mr.Hussein respects force, and nothing else. Against 
common expectation I'd hope the U.S. and British military forces 
stay their hand for as long as is needed and not give into the 
temptation of action around Feb/March. He at least now knows 
that the U.S. and Britain are serious about military conflict. 
To have troops stationed in the region for 9-12 months will hurt 
both our economies, but whatever the final outcome the U.N. in 
the long run I think will be strengthened by it.

(Om/cf.."The Mother of all Surrenders" tm. Should war occur, I 
sincerely hope you have reason to enforce that patent on 
numerous occasions!)
 
bong billa bong bong: I liked the first rendition too. As the 
board lyricist you're working overtime.:)

I support but I'm not a fan of, George Bush. I'm also a realist. 
I know he's probably got connections to powerful corporate 
backers be they fair or foul. His environmental track is 
probably abysmal, and his economic track record will probably 
end up the same way. However prior to his election, he didn't 
know where the rest of the world was, but he sure knows now. I 
know that many in the U.S. from the far-right and from the 
left/far-left want U.S. military forces to permamantly stay at 
home for their own reasons.

Aside from power, national political leaders want love and 
respect from their people. If one places high expectations on 
someone in an unforceful manner, almost exlcusively that person 
tries to live up to those expectations in order to gain respect. 
If one has low expectations of someone, they won't bother 
trying. That's the reasoning behind my support of President 
Bush. If nothing's changed after any possible conflict in Iraq, 
no serious emphasis is put on resolving the Israel/Palestine 
issue etc, then politically I'm prepared to move to the left on 
a more permanent basis. But not before.

shitball: First it was the Queen, then Diana and now Prince 
Charles. Is nobody safe from your fetishes?..Drop the British 
accent, you sound like Dyke van Dick. 

Osama, and his friends... Saudi and how better to get them back 
for forcing Osama to exile? Get the U.S. to attack? Remember 
truth is stranger then fiction. Stay tuned as Bushes little war 
gets deeper in camel dung. 
   Why? Ohhh Let's just say ENRON, or did we forget? Promises 
broken and Bush has his own aganda, again more to 'snow'...er 
come. We all know Colin Powel ain't gettin' any! LOL! 
   Still no war with Iraq, fictional theroy? 
         Puzzles me just as much. 

Hello? Hello! yes yes this is Yasser Arafat! I must speak to Kim 
suck dung ... RIGHT AWAY! yes I'll hold" "Herrrow? WHoooist ? 
who?, Ohh Yasser, How is the Bagel business doing?" "Quit with 
the jokes Kim! How is it everyone gets a deal from Bush except 
me?!?! what is going on? I am stuck in my bagel shop...er, 
Palace in the dark with no army to gaurd me and BUSH Has 
completely forgotten me!! What is going on??" "Ahhh yessss, well 
it is all in who you know, Yasser, you just have to know how to 
pull some strings....er. I mean talk to the U.N. Have you seen 
Colin Powell lately??" "AAAHHHH!! I HATE that man!! ... hello? 
hello? $#&*$!!! Damn Cell phone!" 

http://www.sendafriend.com/PrettyBush/

01/22/2003 : "Britain Prepares Major Force for Iraq" 
 
LONDON - Britain, which has staunchly backed the United 
States' tough stance on Iraq, now is matching its political 
support with a huge military force that will be ready for war in 
weeks. 
While Prime Minister Tony Blair insists war is not inevitable, 
his government is assembling in the Gulf region a force of 
35,000 troops, backed by everything from tanks and jets to 
nuclear submarines. In all, Britain is sending a quarter of its 
army. 

"This is no token contribution to a U.S. force. It is a massive 
effort by Britain's armed forces," said Charles Heyman, an 
analyst with the publication Jane's World Armies. 

While some U.S. allies, such as Australia, have backed 
Washington politically over Iraq, Britain is the only ally to 
offer substantial military aid. Full details   including a 
planned land force of 26,000 troops   were outlined 
Tuesday. 

The British force, drawn up in consultation with U.S. 
commanders, is dominated by fast-moving assault units, 
giving insight as to what kind of fighting may be expected. 

If there is a war, British commanders say privately they 
expect a campaign of lightning attacks designed to topple 
Saddam Hussein's regime and avoid protracted combat, 
which would inflict heavy casualties on the Iraqi military and 
civilians. 

This scenario suggests U.S. and British forces will launch a 
series of land attacks on Iraq on several fronts, including a 
possible amphibious assault on the coast near Basra. 
Paratroops and air assault troops simultaneously will 
establish bases deep inside Iraqi territory from which to 
launch operations. 

The shock of the onslaught is expected to overwhelm the 
demoralized Iraqi military and encourage opponents of the 
regime to revolt, British military sources say. 

A British naval fleet of 16 ships is heading to the Gulf with 
about 4,000 marines on board. The marines can operate as 
special forces behind enemy lines. 

The army is contributing two major combat units, including 
the 16th Air Assault Brigade, a force of paratroopers and 
assault helicopters designed for swift attacks. The other 
unit, the 7th Armored Brigade, with 120 tanks, artillery and 
four battalions of mechanized infantry, is for conventional 
armored warfare. 

The Ministry of Defense said nothing about any role to be 
played in any war by British special forces, which are among 
the best in the world. The Special Air Service is expected to 
play a major role behind Iraqi lines, as they did during the 
1991 Gulf War. 

Britain deployed about 50,000 troops to that war. In 1982, it 
deployed fewer than 30,000 to drive Argentina from the 
Falkland Islands. 

The British military has a reputation for being highly trained 
and very effective in combat. It has a close working 
relationship with the U.S. military. 

But British forces also suffer from a shortage of troops, 
conflicting demands on their limited manpower and poor 
equipment. 

British tanks and artillery did not perform well in desert 
exercises in 2001 in Oman, breaking down because of the 
sand. The government says repairs were made, but many 
soldiers are critical about the reliability of their rifles and 
other weapons. 

The government was put on the defensive this month after 
press reports that poorly paid soldiers were buying their 
own boots and clothing because their military gear was 
shoddy. The government rushed through emergency orders 
for footwear and clothing. 

The army, which has trouble meeting recruiting quotas, 
faces competing demands for its stretched units, including 
keeping a large force in Northern Ireland in case of political 
unrest. 

About 20,000 soldiers are serving as temporary firefighters 
in Britain because of intermittent strikes by firefighters 
seeking hefty pay raises. 

By BARRY RENFREW, Associated Press Writer

==============


01/21/2003 : "UK's Blair Says Iraq Seeking Nuclear 
Capability" 
 
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Tony Blair said on Tuesday 
he believed Iraq was trying to rebuild its nuclear capability, 
dismissing its claims to have no significant weapons of 
mass destruction. 

"What we are sure of is chemical and biological weapons. 
What we believe they are doing is trying to reconstitute their 
nuclear program," the prime minister told senior 
parliamentarians. "How far along the path they have got on 
that we can't be sure. 

"They had a fully fledged nuclear program, which they 
denied incidentally for years until they were obliged to admit 
it," Blair said. 

Iraq said Monday it would offer the inspectors more help 
and would form its own teams to search for any banned 
weapons. Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix, who will 
deliver a major report to the United Nations next Monday, 
said it was up to Iraq to convince the world it was not hiding 
such weapons. 

Blair said he believed the weapons inspectors were doing a 
good job, should be given time to pursue it, but that Iraq had 
dispersed lethal weapons around the country. 


==============================
EradicateSaDam; the time draws near                                      

Still the stones won't say clearly yes or no at this point. They 
do however state the changing tide. 
  With the coming of the U.N. forces the ability to move quickly 
and flush Saddam out is coming clear as "Diag" the rising of the 
phoenix. The Closure of this war is in the very near future.
.
* Distant past; Mannaz, deals have been made and hold positive
* Distant present; Segal, Build up of forces and positive action
* Distant Future; Radaz reversed, Unwanted changes, Kim & 
N.Korea and negative public opinion nationally and globally. 
Lack of support from the U.N.
.

* Present past; Ansus, Message made clear, answer that was 
waited for has come, Help from the U.K. despite the U.N.
* Present (Now); Othel reversed, Great expense, many of our own 
military at risk. Adverse public opinion in the U.S. Economy in 
down turn.
* Present future; Lagas, Bending of the reed, Holding on to 
fight another day. Using a stay and see strategy. Bending to the 
situation and being aware of the danger, yet using wisdom to 
know it is not a problem that will last.
.
* Future past; Diag, Rising of the phoenix, the coming of help 
from the U.K. Coming support in the situation and a growing and 
true force that will prevail.
* Future present; Geofu, Coming together, a bringing of 
friendship and strong unity.
* Future (future); Peorth, the time is good. Luck is on our 
side. All time lines and realms are conducive of good fortune.
 .
Advise (what the gods (our God) tell us we should do); Ing, 
Complete the task, all is here and no more help is needed. 

Again asked for a more defined answer>
* Past; Tyr reversed, Problem is of our own making (isn t that 
the truth!)
* Present; Burch, The Goddess and wisdom prevail at this time 
for us. We must protect our homeland. 
* Future; Wynn, (Joy) The outcome will be very good. The world 
will see our decision as a good one (despite what we see now)


So there you go... Best as they will tell me for now. I would 
say it looks like a 'walk in' with little or almost no down 
side, all negative is in the past. All future stones are of the 
strongest type denoting strong success. Even luck is now on our 
side. Just a matter of time. I don't know if I would call this a 
war as much as I would call it over before it even begins. 
  Still a danger of other things and to prepare for adversity. 
This danger is unrelated to Iraq.

(Coming of the U.K. forces)Typo. (#$@&! gotta learn) 

Still the stones won't say clearly yes or no at this point. They 
do however state the changing tide. 
With the coming of the U.N. forces the ability to move quickly 
and flush Saddam out is coming clear as "Diag" the rising of the 
phoenix. The Closure of this war is in the very near future.
.
* Distant past; Mannaz, deals have been made and hold positive
* Distant present; Segal, Build up of forces and positive action
* Distant Future; Radaz reversed, Unwanted changes, Kim & 
N.Korea and negative public opinion nationally and globally. 
Lack of support from the U.N.
.

* Present past; Ansus, Message made clear, answer that was 
waited for has come, Help from the U.K. despite the U.N.
* Present (Now); Othel reversed, Great expense, many of our own 
military at risk. Adverse public opinion in the U.S. Economy in 
down turn.
* Present future; Lagas, Bending of the reed, Holding on to 
fight another day. Using a stay and see strategy. Bending to the 
situation and being aware of the danger, yet using wisdom to 
know it is not a problem that will last.
.
* Future past; Diag, Rising of the phoenix, the coming of help 
from the U.K. Coming support in the situation and a growing and 
true force that will prevail.
* Future present; Geofu, Coming together, a bringing of 
friendship and strong unity.
* Future (future); Peorth, the time is good. Luck is on our 
side. All time lines and realms are conducive of good fortune.
.
Advise (what the gods (our God) tell us we should do); Ing, 
Complete the task, all is here and no more help is needed. 

Again asked for a more defined answer>
* Past; Tyr reversed, Problem is of our own making (isn t that 
the truth!)
* Present; Burch, The Goddess and wisdom prevail at this time 
for us. We must protect our homeland. 
* Future; Wynn, (Joy) The outcome will be very good. The world 
will see our decision as a good one (despite what we see now)


So there you go... Best as they will tell me for now. I would 
say it looks like a 'walk in' with little or almost no down 
side, all negative is in the past. All future stones are of the 
strongest type denoting strong success. Even luck is now on our 
side. Just a matter of time. I don't know if I would call this a 
war as much as I would call it over before it even begins. 
Still a danger of other things and to prepare for adversity. 
This danger is unrelated to Iraq.
 

Still the stones won't say clearly yes or no at this point. They 
do however state the changing tide. 
With the coming of the U.K. forces the ability to move quickly 
and flush Saddam out is coming clear as "Diag" the rising of the 
phoenix. The Closure of this war is in the very near future.
.
* Distant past; Mannaz, deals have been made and hold positive
* Distant present; Segal, Build up of forces and positive action
* Distant Future; Radaz reversed, Unwanted changes, Kim & 
N.Korea and negative public opinion nationally and globally. 
Lack of support from the U.N.
.

* Present past; Ansus, Message made clear, answer that was 
waited for has come, Help from the U.K. despite the U.N.
* Present (Now); Othel reversed, Great expense, many of our own 
military at risk. Adverse public opinion in the U.S. Economy in 
down turn.
* Present future; Lagas, Bending of the reed, Holding on to 
fight another day. Using a stay and see strategy. Bending to the 
situation and being aware of the danger, yet using wisdom to 
know it is not a problem that will last.
.
* Future past; Diag, Rising of the phoenix, the coming of help 
from the U.K. Coming support in the situation and a growing and 
true force that will prevail.
* Future present; Geofu, Coming together, a bringing of 
friendship and strong unity.
* Future (future); Peorth, the time is good. Luck is on our 
side. All time lines and realms are conducive of good fortune.
.
Advise (what the gods (our God) tell us we should do); Ing, 
Complete the task, all is here and no more help is needed. 

Again asked for a more defined answer>
* Past; Tyr reversed, Problem is of our own making (isn t that 
the truth!)
* Present; Burch, The Goddess and wisdom prevail at this time 
for us. We must protect our homeland. 
* Future; Wynn, (Joy) The outcome will be very good. The world 
will see our decision as a good one (despite what we see now)


So there you go... Best as they will tell me for now. I would 
say it looks like a 'walk in' with little or almost no down 
side, all negative is in the past. All future stones are of the 
strongest type denoting strong success. Even luck is now on our 
side. Just a matter of time. I don't know if I would call this a 
war as much as I would call it over before it even begins. 
Still a danger of other things and to prepare for adversity. 
This danger is unrelated to Iraq.
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76390,00.html
Iraq is just the first step in the camel dung field! LOL!

All: A few Brits, of which some here maybe aware, are due to 
fly 
over to Iraq as human shields to stand "side by side with the 
Iraqi people". In as far as it goes, that's noble enough I 
suppose, except for the fact that the real upshot can only be a 
propaganda coup for Hussein free of charge.
================================================================
I don't think it is noble - I think it is a pointless martydom.
===============================================================
Fine. But 
then how else is he (Hussein) going to be removed from power?
===============================================================
Of course there is no other way and surely that is the point. 
What people fail to recognise is that it is best for the future 
of Iraq. It is all too convenient for countries to complain 
that the US is muscling in which is why I agree with the UK 
view that the weapons inspections should run their course.
================================================================
It's easy to be cynical and say that the Bush family and their 
influential supporters just want the oil.
================================================================
Yes it is - but after politician after politician ruin the 
veneer of government that's what you get.

To Fuck or be Fucked, that is the question.
My Vote; FUCK'em! and smoke 'em if ya got'em 

Well being as this is a message board, and it would be 
physically impossible for you to rub your "Thing" in my face, 
how about another cyber scenario! How about I cut OFF 
your "Thing" and stuff it down your fucking throat!!

OOoohhhhhhhhhh she's pisssssssssed!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76403,00.html

Maggots
USA
Should
Lynch
Ignite and
Massacre
Soon

Well we are going to get rid of Saddam and that's it! I see the 
point in letting the weapons inspectors "Do their job" so to 
speak. But I dont see the point in letting it go on forever. WE 
arent suppose to destroy/find his WMD for him, he is suppose to 
provide the US and Brittain, (And various other allies), that HE 
has destroyed them. We already knew he had them, he knows he had 
them, 'Admittedly', but has provided NO proof as to where they 
are now, what he did when (Like he really did) he destroyed 
them, and show proof to the inspectors where he destroyed them 
at so they can test the site of the supposed destruction! 
This has NOTHING to do with oil! This has to do with the fact 
that IF he has not destroyed them, where are they, (I'm guessing 
Syria due to news reports, and articles I've read) and has he 
sold them to someone who may have the capability to launch them 
OUR way, or Brittain's way, or one of our other allies way! We 
are talking some of the most 'Serious' of weapons besides 
Nuclear. Mustard Gas, Cirin, E-Coli Anthrax, etc..Weapons that 
would cause MASS death and destruction. He has used these 
chemicals on his own people, he WILL use them on us. (If given 
the chance)
The UN inspectors are NOT going to find what he does not want 
them to. With the exception of a few things he maybe didnt have 
a chance to get rid of, or had so much of this stuff he had 
forgotten that some were "Lying" around and the UN just happened 
to have stumbled upon them. Hence, 'The unused (Yet) missles 
that could only contain a chemical', found last week! He was 
suppose to SHOW the UN that he had destroyed them. Which he has 
NOT done. All this running around from place to place is almost 
a waste of gas, with the exception of possibly stumbling on to 
something else he hasnt hidden. The clock is ticking for US! Who 
has this crap? When is someone going to launch it our way? Mail 
it? Put it in their shoes and board another plane? (Which is 
more difficult to do these days, but probably not impossible). I 
Love the idea that Bush has gone along with what alot of the 
world wanted by going through all the channels (UN) and doing it 
the peverbial 'Right Way'! It isnt working. It isnt going to. So 
where does that leave us all? Disarming his ass ourselves! 
Disarming him before another 9-11 happens. One that could 
possibly be FAR worse! I do NOT like the idea of war, of the 
loss of life that it will bring! But we have been at war since 9-
11, and as Bush said we will hunt them down "One By One" if 
that's what it takes. It is now time to bring Justice to our 
Enemy's. God help us ALL if we wait much longer. We/The World 
cant afford to. Hopefully it will be like Merlyn put it "Over 
before it begins", but if not the taste of the NEW and decisive 
weaponry the US and Brittain have will make them wish to God 
they had surrendered. And to the 'Human Sheilds' I hope you took 
out LARGE amounts of life insurance before you went on your own 
insane mission! I agree with you all in one way or another, but 
I see NO other course of action to be taken at this time. And I 
for one dont want to wait to find out what method of madness 
that madman has planned for us next! 
God Bless You, God Bless Our US, Brittain, and coalition 
Soldiers!!!! 

Go for it, fuckface.      

Five cable TV networks in Kabul shut down

NDTV Correspondent

Thursday, January 23, 2003 (Kabul):


When the Taliban were ousted 14 months ago, the people of 
Afghanistan believed that restrictions imposed on music, films 
and television would be lifted -- a hope which turned into 
reality with audio and video-cassettes flooding the market and 
several cable networks being launched. 

Now five cable networks in the capital Kabul which showed 
western and Indian songs have been ordered to shut down. Last 
week, cable networks in Jalalabad were shut down.

"I speak according to the holy Koran which says that obscenities 
are unlawful and an abomination according to Islamic Sharia law 
whether they are broadcast on cable television or in western 
movies. It is unlawful for the whole Afghan nation and for the 
government to watch such things," asserted Mawlavi Fazil Hadi 
Sainwari, Chief Justice, Supreme Court, Afghanistan.

This is an argument which has angered the people, especially the 
cable operators who say they have invested heavily. "I spent 
about $100,000 to set up this cable network, which is all my own 
money. I did not get any government subsidy. This cable TV 
network was set up to respond to the need of the people, because 
people like watching cable television," remarked Abdul Samy 
Samimeat, Star Network.

Analysts believe this latest ban on cable television reflects 
the growing divide in Afghanistan between the orthodox pro-
Islamists and the liberal President Hamid Karzai.



For the latest in news visit http://www.ndtv.com
  2002 NDTV. All rights reserved. 

Ain't it a bitch?? What ever happened to the Buddhists? You know 
the people who once lived in Afghanistan before the ETHNIC 
CLEANSING by the MUSLIMS????? Fuck a muslim and the fucking rug 
they flew in on! LOL!!!!!!!!! 

Go suck a dick cocke breathe, u can't even bomb us

"Saddam Hussein is the leader of Iraq. He was born in Iraq and 
he loves Iraq and he will continue leading Iraq until THE LAST 
MINUTE OF HIS LIFE," Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz, 
said in an interview on ABC News yesterday.
_______________________________________________

Sounds like a damn heroic plan Tareq. The hard way. It has a 
satisfying ring to it. Enjoy.

George Bush is such a fuckwit. Wait for the UN, you monkey.

Which countries have the worlds largest proven crude oil 
reserves?

Here then, (the monkey tosses the dog a bone):

Country.....................Crude oil reserves (million barrels)
 
Saudi Arabia................262,697 
*IRAQ*......................112,500 
Iran.........................99,080 
United Arab Emirates.........97,800 
Kuwait.......................96,500 

Source: OPEC Annual Statistical Bulletin 2001
______________________________________________


 

***********

With U.S. and British forces building in the Gulf, delegations 
from Iran, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia gathered in 
the former Ottoman palace overlooking the Bosporus strait 
in Turkey on Thursday to discuss ways to avert a war. Of the 
five countries mentioned;Iran, Syria,and Saudi Arabia have 
the most to lose with
the Eradication of SaDam as their links to terrorism will be 
more exposed to the light of the sun and the eyes of the 
world community in the days and weeks to follow. Egypt will 
also be in the mix and to some lesser
extend,elements in Jordan. In addition to these nations 
roles of support for the Irarqi dictator and world 
terrorism,nations such as Germany and France will be 
exposed for their violations of U.N. sanctions agaist Iraq.

Mubarak said the delegates would be asking Iraq to comply 
with U.N. weapons resolutions and "we are ... asking 
inspectors to do their work in an honest and impartial way." 
Turkish and Arab diplomats have stressed that the 
delegates will not call for Hussein to step down and go into 
exile as a way of avoiding war. However there are backroom 
reports that Saudi Arabia has already recommended such a 
solution.
Hussein may not be the Islamic leader that the Muslims 
aspire to. However, he is a prominent leader of the 
destruction of Israel and the West. His fall along with 
Western forces rifling through documents will be a major 
blow to the afore mentioned nations.


As an aside;...with military forces of 60,000 x 3 in U.S. troops 
alone and one quarter of Britain's military converging in the 
Gulf, you can be assured of military action against Iraq's 
present leadership.
Hussein has played his cards for the last time. He will be 
trumped. It is time to EradicateSaDam.


goodnight; theE.S.D.

we at theE.S.D. feel much won't be metioned about China's 
role

Hi Everyone, Have not been on this board for a long time. Hope 
everyone is well.

Just came back from Bali. Went to their ground zero site. It 
look bigger in the news. Tourism has drop to 20 percent. Most 
tourist are coming from Singapore and Malaysia. Stay at the Le 
Meridian. Such a classic hotel but unfortunately the occupancy 
has drop to around 15 percent. Me and and friend has all the 
facilties to ourselves.

Very Sad that such bombing takes place. 80 percent of the 
people in Bali are Hindu. Indonesia mainly muslims are still 
struggling while Bali is booming. It is all jealousy.

Look into the whole picture. These muslims are all cowards. 
Look at Saudi. At the beggining of negotiation they were so 
against the war with Iraq. Now they have change their wind 
direction.

The only way to prevent terrorism is to disarm all muslim 
country. Let them practice their reiligion. Give them 
protection if any other religion want to bully them. I doubt so.
Then the rest will be safe. Islam teaches death to the non 
believers. If you let them grow we are dead.

"mentioned" :-)


Personals:

To U.K.Citizen;
please excuse our question if you will, but do you play a xbox 
game called HALO? someone we know said he thought he 
read that somewhere

'Whatever happens out there, we will win'
(Filed: 24/01/2003) 

They scrambled around in the cold and mud for the television 
cameras, shouting instructions and pouring dummy ammunition into 
the advancing trees as though their lives depended on it.

The boys of 16 Air Assault Brigade were doing their bit in the 
media war against Saddam Hussein yesterday, putting on a show 
before departing for the Gulf.

There was confidence in abundance, especially from the men of 3 
Bn The Parachute Regiment, one of the main constituents of the 
brigade, Britain's principal rapid-deployment force.

Major Mark Christie, the battalion's second-in-command, was 
typically Para when asked about the various kinds of operations 
his men might be asked to undertake.

>>>>---->"Whatever happens," he said, "we will win."<----<<<<

http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2003/01/24/wirq424.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/01/24/ixnewsto
p.html
_____________________________________________

HOOO FUCKIN YAAAAAAAH!!!!! THAT'S THE 'TUDE!! GIVEN A TASK - THE 
JOB WILL BE DONE. FUCK THE NAYSAYERS AND PROTESTERS, ITS NOT 
THEIR ASS ON THE LINE! ITS DAMN GOOD TO SEE THE TROOPS HEADS ARE 
IN ORDER DESPITE THE HOLIER THAN THOU CUNTS. A BIG THANKS TO 
GREAT BRITAIN, AUSTRALIA, ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN TURKEY AND ALL 
SENDING TROOPS TO GET THIS FUCKING IRAQ JOB FINALLY FINISHED. A 
SPECIAL THANKS TO A SUPPORTIVE EASTERN EUROPE, JUST STARTING TO 
GET A REAL TASTE FOR FREEDOM. TO FRANCE AND GERMANY - FUCK YOU!!!

Good to see a post from you! Even Board Goat was worried about 
you! Its 5 below zero in northern Illinois tonight and whacko's 
or not, Bali sounds warm, hehehe.

I started in on a chatroom on a very pro-Islamic site called 
Taliban OnLine. I'll try to copy the URL next time. I think you 
good do some good work there, I keep getting booted out for some 
reason! LOL! They always let me back though. I may try to get 
one particular poster er...chatter to stop by this board, should 
be interesting.

Oh my GOD that post was well said!!! The latte-and-Volvo crowd 
makes me want to vomit. Those creepy people who think that we 
should forget protecting our nation because it isn't "sensitive" 
enough, and because it might "offend" Muslim-believing people. 
Meanwhile, many Muslims in my community have expressed their full 
support for invading Iraq and removing if not killing Sodomy 
Hussein. Most of the Muslims here are transplanted Kurds who hate 
Saddam with a raging passion. As for the French and the German 
governments, I give you a hearty FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF YOU!!!!!!!    
            

2nd place: Facts Finder 
3rd place: U/K.Citizen  (spy's bitchin' now )
it just goes down from here



"thanks for all of your  work"

01/23/2003 : "Gold, Euro Up on Iraq Fears" 

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Investors looking for safe havens 
from Iraq war fears flocked to gold and the euro on 
Thursday, sending them to six- and three-year peaks 
respectively, but stocks firmed on brighter outlooks for the 
technology sector. 
Shares firmed in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Seoul and Taipei after 
U.S. and European computer-related companies posted 
encouraging outlooks after their domestic markets had 
closed. Most other Asian bourses were flat after a fifth 
straight fall on Wall Street. 

Crude oil prices were steady ahead of key U.S. supply data 
later on Thursday. 

But gold blasted to a new six-year high of $364.50 an ounce, 
up more than $4 from its New York level, as fears of a 
U.S.-led war on Iraq drove bullion to a peak not seen since 
January 1997. The surge pulled platinum to a 17-year peak 
of $650 an ounce. 

"Tensions are going to rise in February," said Gordon 
Cheung, director of precious metals trading at Mitsui 
Bussan in Hong Kong. "The U.S. is setting a deadline and it 
looks like war is quite imminent." 

Washington has threatened to attack Iraq and overthrow 
Saddam Hussein, if Baghdad does not meet the 
disarmament terms of a U.N. resolution passed in 
November. U.S. forces, totaling about 150,000, should be 
ready for action next month if Bush decides war is 
necessary. 

The dollar's recent weakness has also benefited bullion, as 
the United States is expected to foot much of the bill for a 
war that would be a drag on an already sluggish U.S. 
economy. 

The euro hit a three-year high against the yen at around 
127.22 yen and was little changed from late New York trade 
at $1.0731 to the dollar. The dollar was steady at 118.37 yen 
against a late New York level of 118.24. 

RISK OF RECESSION 

Japan reported industrial activity fell for a third month in 
November. That suggested gross domestic product shrank 
in the fourth quarter, raising the risk of Japan falling into its 
fourth recession in a decade -- a prospect that may also 
weaken the yen. 

In reply,

================================================================
I don't think it is noble - I think it is a pointless martydom.
===============================================================

Yes on reflection, pointless martydom is probably a better way 
putting it. Saying that though, I used the word noble because 
although I may not agree with their decision or their opinion 
they're at least willing to back up their opinions with action. 
They're prepared to put themselves in harms way. How many of us 
would be willing to stand up for our principles to that degree? 
Once again, I would agree with you that their actions are 
misguided in this instance, but in the end that's their 
decision. I wish them luck because I somehow think they'll need 
it.

===============================================================
Of course there is no other way and surely that is the point. 
What people fail to recognise is that it is best for the future 
of Iraq. It is all too convenient for countries to complain 
that the US is muscling in which is why I agree with the UK 
view that the weapons inspections should run their course.
================================================================

Again I'd agree, it's obviously in the interests of the ordinary 
people in Iraq to have a dictator as bad as Hussein, removed 
from power. The trouble is many in the region have their pre-
conceptions on ulterior motives, along with dissenters in the 
West. An extensive PR exercice is required and soon or things in 
the long run could get complicated.

History always judges hasty military action harshly. If a few 
more expensive months in monetary terms and the legitimisation 
of action through the U.N. is weighed up against hasty actions 
now, I know which one I'd take. If that legitimacy isn't there 
from the outset, if things get tougher than planned during any 
conflict it's our soldiers who'll questioning why there doing 
this. Our soliders have to know that their people are supporting 
them 100 percent. If soldiers in combat doubt for one second the 
righteousness of what they're doing, that's when people 
hestitate and that's when soldiers needlessly get killed. I'd 
want our soldiers to be able to hold their heads up high on 
returning knowing deep down that what they did was right, and 
that the communities they eventually return to, are there to 
support them.  

It's easy to be cynical and say that the Bush family and their 
influential supporters just want the oil.
================================================================
Yes it is - but after politician after politician ruin the 
veneer of government that's what you get.

If the election of G.W.Bush taught those of voting age anything, 
it was the importance of getting out there and voting, even if 
it means crossing the box next to "None of the above shitty 
candidates truly represent my view". We all have every right to 
be cynical and disillusioned, but I don't agree in giving in to 
cynicism. One has to believe. If enough people believe, maybe 
just one of those ordinary people may one day step forward to 
represent the rest of us.  

Well as his time draws near, I hope he enjoys the END just as 
much as we are going to!!! HeHeHe

It's nice to hear from you. As a part-timer I'll happily settle 
for a place on the rostrum. Couldn't have been beaten by two 
better people. (Sorry Spy, I gave it my best shot.) 

Never played Halo in my life. It's all lies!! It's just a 
coincidence I know the release date of Halo 2 over here. Can't 
wait. Saddam Hussein was rumoured to have bought 100 plus X-Boxs 
a while back, but I somehow doubt it was to play multi-player 
Halo.

Once again, nice to see you here at the board.:)

Welcome back! Hope all is finding you well :-)
A Ground Zero is a terrible thing to have to deal with and look 
at and see EVERY day! Makes hatred breed even more! It's like 
you left part of yourself there as you departed. That is so true 
allowing terrorism to grow will just lead to more and more 
ground zero's! Anyway, I'm glad to see your back safely! Take 
Care...

I thank you sirs. I suspect the check is in the mail? LOL!! I'd 
share it with ALL that post comments here. Its always 
interesting, kinda like the guy at a 70's party saying "dude, 
don't worry, in like 8 hours it'll wear off", right after you 
washed a tiny piece of paper down with a gulp of beer only to 
find out 30 minutes later it was a four-way of blotter acid!

I believe Bush, along with others in his administration, wanted 
to wipe out Saddam before he was ever elected. He may think it 
is in the USA's and/or even the worlds best interest, but I 
believe it is also partly personnal.  How could it not be?  9/11 
just made it possible to justify what they wanted to do already.
  
Is overthrowing Saddam justified and best for the world? Maybe, 
but let the world be part of the decision and the execution. 
Doing it alone or with the minimal support we have will perhaps 
create far more, and perhaps even worse problems than it solves. 
If the USA thinks Muslims and the rest of world hate us 
now, .....

I just wish Bush would at least disguise his zeal a little.  He 
appears way too eager to shoot first and ask questions later.  
He may have a better chance of getting others to go along if he 
cooled his jets a little.  Since so much could potentially hang 
on this decision, why not give diplomacy a little longer to work 
its way through? 

It is rediculous to say oil is behind this.  USA will not get 
all the oil no matter what happens.

By the way, if the other Arab nations are so against us ousting 
Hussein (fellow muslims), why dont they clean out there own 
house and not make us do it.

If there is so much evidence of WMD, why cant we seem to find 
any of it, bomb it, show a picture, something.  We are being 
asked to show way too much faith in their word for me.

As for France and Germany, of course they can sit there and say 
they are against attacking.  Iraq WMD's will not be aimed their 
way.

Lastly, one of my big fears is that Hussein has the weapons that 
we claim he does and that he will use them against our troops.  
Who knows what he is capable of.  We may be walking into a huge 
trap.  He almost seems to be baiting us to do just that.

Good to see your posts again.  For some reason this Neil Diamond 
song came to mind as I was reading your posts.

Saddam sung blue?


Song sung blue
Everybody knows one
Song sung blue
Every garden grows one
Me and you are subject to the blues now and then
But when you take the blues and make a song
You sing them out again
Sing them out again

Song sung blue
Weeping like a willow
Song sung blue
Sleeping on my pillow

Funny thing, but you can sing it with a cry in your voice
And before you know, start to feeling good
You simply got no choice

Song sung blue
Everybody knows one
Song sung blue
Every garden grows one


Facts Finder:  Glad to see you're here.

You are concerned that we might be walking into a trap set by 
Saddam Hussein. I thought that he might have been doing that in 
the first Gulf War, but it became apparent that he was merely 
trying to look macho in front of his populace and surrounding 
nations. He gained "respect" from his geographic neighbors for 
"standing up" to America. It appears to me that this isagain the 
case, although there is some risk in putting faith in that view. 
But war always brings with it a lot of risk. The US will fight 
this war on its terms, and not on Saddam's. What type of trap 
concerns you?      
          

If the election of G.W.Bush taught those of voting age anything, 
it was the importance of getting out there and voting, even if 
it means crossing the box next to "None of the above shitty 
candidates truly represent my view". 

Too true!  Considering fewer than 30% of the voting population 
got out to the polls, most have nothing to complain about.

(Lastly, one of my big fears is that Hussein has the weapons 
that we claim he does and that he will use them against our 
troops.  
Who knows what he is capable of.  We may be walking into a huge 
trap.  He almost seems to be baiting us to do just that.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  I simply figured out that the greedy little fuck (Saddam) 
simply sold his WMD to the highest bidder. No he won't show 
where they went, why should he? He dissarmed, just like we asked 
him to! LOL! So no, he doesn't have any WMD. But... yes now you 
see it don't you? The Governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran are 
clueless, and useless pawns, it is the verious Hamass and other 
cults of Muslim shit that have those weapons ready to go as soon 
as we launch our assult on Saddam. He knows how to play the Bush 
game too well. And there is always the behind the scenes action 
that stopped us from wiping Baghdad off the map last time. 
   Bush in Camel dung, the sequil! soon in a TV near YOU!
I cast the stones THREE times asking WTF!? and they will NOT say 
we are going to war with Iraq. They do however say we will win 
and that the door of oppertunity is wide open. Very odd reading. 
But consistant with the past reading and progressive to each one 
before, indicating a true reading. 
   Things are not what they seem. That I can tell you, but I can 
also say this very clearly. What is about to happen will more 
than prove we are right in what we are doing to all. And yes the 
other countries, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia and Iran will be 
exposed for what they are. 
   Truth stranger than fiction and a day yet to see the dawn. 
         Watching closely;
            Merlyn 

Too true!  Considering fewer than 30% of the voting population 
got out to the polls, most have nothing to complain about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And those 30% are the radical revolutionarys! over 50 years old 
most of them! LOL!

The point I was making holds true even if Al Gore had won. The 
election was so close those vying for power had to resort to the 
courts to sort it out. What I was trying to put across was 
simply that every vote does count. I wasn't really having a dig 
at President Bush, but simply highlighting the fact that those 
Gore supporters who weren't bothered to vote I'd imagine now rue 
that fact. Too many people have fought and died for the right to 
vote. Voter apathy for whatever reason has now become endemic in 
Western democracies. If that continues they won't remain 
democracies for much longer. If potential voters can't find a 
candidate they'd want to for for, marking a cross next to the 
option previously suggested would at least still mean they're 
interested in idea of democracy.

I'd have glass or two of Cracklin Rose during the Superbowl, 
only I really don't care for wine all that much.

You might remember that the highest voter turn out in recent 
history was to vote against Bush Sr. and put Clinton in office. 
Around a 42% voter turn out. The "anything but Bush" crowd made 
the vote in record numbers. The next factor was a Texan with big 
ears ... Ross Perot, and he did the job of taking the balance of 
the vote away from Bush. This made it seem like a landslide 
victory for Clinton. Given that in this past election the GOP 
went for Bush Jr and broke at 50% showed both that Gore was a 
REAL looser and that Anti-Bush sentiment had still not been 
forgotten.


Wine is on hand for the women during the super bowl, or if you 
think they will go for it, Tequila. 


 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76497,00.html

24 Jan 2003 08:19
Saddam's son warns U.S. of huge losses in Iraq war

By Huda Majeed Saleh

BAGHDAD, Jan 24 (Reuters) - President Saddam Hussein's eldest 
son Uday has warned the United States of huge losses and a 
calamity worse than the September 11 attacks on Washington if it 
goes ahead with plans to invade Iraq.

"It is better for them (the Americans) to keep themselves away 
from us," Uday was quoted as saying on Thursday night by al-
Shabab (Youth) television which he owns.

**"Because if they come, September 11 which they are crying over 
and see as a big thing will be a real picnic for them, God 
willing," Uday said, referring to suicide hijacker attacks in 
New York and Washington which killed about 3,000 people in 
2001.**

"They will be hurt and pay a price they will never imagine," he 
added, repeating similar comments in an editorial in Thursday's 
Babel daily, which Uday also owns. 

?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Some people's children, eh.

Its interesting Uday would reference an act of terrorism when 
Iraq insists it is in no way connected to terrorism. Hmmm. 
Popped right to mind for him. Saddam must have forgotten to give 
the boys the "loose lips sink ships" speech. 

Uday is so far gone on drugs he's delusional! Its time for a 
good old-fashioned Hussein dysfunctional family intervention on 
the boy (assasination). " The Hussein's", the only family on 
earth who can make the Osbourne's seem very normal.

Babel daily? How apropriate!

Its interesting Uday would reference an act of terrorism when 
Iraq insists it is in no way connected to terrorism. Hmmm. 
Popped right to mind for him. Saddam must have forgotten to give 
the boys the "loose lips sink ships" speech. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
"A sea of fire" Sound familiar? It came from Kim Suck Dung, but 
guess what?  It is exactly what Uday is referring to. They plan 
to flood the Gulf with oil and then ignite it. 

More comes to light, as the connection becomes clear. 
         

Jose` Cuervo, you are a friend of mine...

"The Bagdhad Daily Babble"

What if you are all wrong and they have a nuke they are planning 
to blow up when USA attacks? Unlikely, but possible. And they 
are crazy enough to blow it up right in their own country, when 
our troops are there.  Less devasting, but more likely mass 
destruction there or elsewhere is much more likely. We should 
not be so cocky about our invulnerability and completely 
underestimate them (even though we beat the crap out of them the 
last time).

There were many news stories today on the possibility that 
Saddam & Sons may have already rigged explosives to Iraqi oil 
wells with the intent of going out with a torched earth bang. 
Seven hundred oil well fires in Kuwait as the Iraqi's were 
driven out is proof enough its a valid worry for sure.

A flameing hot (although late) stock tip: Boots & Coots (WEL)
http://www.bncg.com/
+133.333
Somebody made a lot of money off those news reports today and as 
usual, it wasn't me. Fuck it all to hell!

Thanks for the welcome. Not much things to comment. All I can 
feel, hear and see is that now more muslims are coming out to 
voice the support against those extremists muslims. Do they 
really meant it? Did they now realize the damage that has been 
done? Or are they just play acting. I would like to ask every 
individual muslims 2 question.

Will you accept the choice of people practising other religion.

Will you accept Isreal as a nation.

If they say yes, then we are at peace.

*********

 on the first day of the war, Iraq can expect to be on the 
receiving end of 300 to 400 precision
guided cruise missles (they can expect no less on day two). 
this is more in one day than used in the 40 days of Desert 
Storm.
 80% of the weapons used against Iraq in the upcoming war 
will be precision/satellite guided
weapons as opposed to 10% in the last war.  
 we feel that if Iraq should use any desperate means to 
resist this unslaught that Baghdad will face a very real 
possibility of nuclear persuasion.


*********

================================

01/24/2003 : "US Says It Can Prove Iraq Has Banned 
Weapons" 

By Isabel Reynolds and Huda Majeed Saleh 
TOKYO/BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United States said on 
Friday it had "very convincing evidence" Iraq possessed 
banned weapons as a transatlantic rift widened over 
whether Baghdad should be disarmed by force. 

U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton, Washington's top 
arms control diplomat, said Iraq has maintained an 
extensive program for the production of weapons of mass 
destruction, including long-range ballistic missiles banned 
since the 1991 Gulf War. 

"That is information that we have, and I think that, at an 
appropriate time and in an appropriate way, we will make 
the case about Iraq's violations," Bolton told a news 
conference in Tokyo during the third and last stop of a tour of 
Asia. 

The comments echoed those made by U.S. Deputy Defense 
Secretary Paul Wolfowitz who said President Bush had a 
"powerful case" against Iraq. 

"We have a case grounded in history. We have a case 
grounded in current intelligence that not only comes from 
American intelligence but many of our allies," he told the 
Council on Foreign Relations in New York on Thursday 
night. 

The campaign by U.S. officials to win support for its stance 
on Iraq, which points increasingly toward war, comes just 
days before U.N. weapons experts deliver a 
much-anticipated report on the first two months of arms 
inspections. 

It also followed a diplomatic scuffle between the United 
States and some traditional allies over the pace of the U.S. 
military mobilization in the Gulf and whether inspectors 
should be given more time to hunt for banned weapons. 

Veto-holding Security Council members France, China and 
Russia have indicated their support for an attack on Iraq is 
far from assured. Germany and Canada have also urged 
the United States to give inspectors more time. 

And Turkey, which the United States hopes will provide 
bases for its troops and aircraft in the event of war, has so 
far been reluctant to commit. 

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dismissed France and 
Germany as representing "old Europe" in their opposition to 
war on Iraq and said they were isolated in their positions. 

APPEAL FOR CALM 

German and French media across the political spectrum 
reacted angrily on Friday to the U.S. criticism, as French 
President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Jean-Pierre 
Raffarin appealed for calm. 

That message did not make it to Greece, where an 
estimated 10,000 anti-war protesters descended upon 
Nafplio to try to disrupt a European Union labor ministers' 
meeting where officials are discussing, among other things, 
the economic impact of another Gulf war. 

Iraq also overshadowed discussion of economics at the 
Davos, Switzerland, gathering of the global economic and 
political elite where government and business leaders are 
already concerned about weak global growth. 

The dollar hit fresh three-year lows against the euro as 
concerns grew the United States would have to foot the bill 
alone for any swift, unilateral strike on Iraq. 

In Iraq, U.N. inspectors visited just one site on Friday, the 
al-Qaqaa missile installation 40 miles south of the capital 
Baghdad. 

Chief arms experts Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei, who 
will deliver a report to the United Nations on Monday, have 
said since returning to Iraq on November 27 after a four-year 
absence inspection teams have not found a "smoking gun." 
But they have criticized Baghdad for failing to fully cooperate. 

Washington has stressed in recent days that cooperation is 
the key to whether war can be averted and that time is 
running out for Baghdad to abide by U.N. resolutions 
demanding they disclose existing weapons programs or 
provide evidence past programs have been eliminated. 
"It's important that people understand that whatever the 
inspectors were able to find, Iraq for the 12 years since the 
end of the Persian Gulf War has engaged in a systematic 
campaign of denial and deception in an effort to conceal its 
weapons of mass destruction from the inspectors," Bolton 
said. 

=======================================

Man this whole thing has me with a knot in my stomach!! 
I know we are going to whoop ass, but I am very worried now 
about what the above poster said, that the Soldiers may be 
walking into a trap with Saddam's crazy ass he may just be 
stupid enough to light/and/or/ blow up something realy major 
with our troops right there! After all he's just like those 
suicidle lunatics! 

Everyman ;
as always,we appreciate your support 

om/cf ;
it should arrive in the form of Cash.
here goes:
"SaDam's fall came in a burning ring of fire.
he went down,down,down and the flames
kept burning higher
and it burn,burns,burns Baghdad's on fire
Baghdad's on fire..."

U.K.Citizen ;
om/cf took it by shear volume and persistance alone.
 Facts Finder by being the kindest soul on the board.
Spy didn't even come close,though he rated in the top ten.

about the HALO game. one of our trio is currently one level 
away from beating it on legendary.they got the game in 
november. we find it somewhat humorous that in the 
booklet it reads,"The year is 2552. ...Covenant, a collective of
alien races united in their fantical religious devotion. 
Covenant religious elders declared humanity as an affront 
to the gods, and the Covenant warrior caste waged a holy 
war upon humanity with gruesome diligence."


 

One tough election for Gore to be on the losing end of 
nevertheless. Ouch. It'll be interesting to see if the vtoing 
public have gleaned anything at all from that last election, 
next time around.

I checked the archives and found a post from you about the Ricin 
find. British Intelligence were warned by their French 
counterparts about a potential threat from Algerian al-Qaeda 
sympathisers. They obviously hadn't bothered listening. The 
media made a big thing about it when the story broke. Slightly 
worrying for a brief time, but it turned out to be nothing much. 
Real al-Qaeda activity will be something quite different. It 
could well be a complete surprise once again, seeing as their 
operative cells are so incredibly secretive. Catching this lot 
with fancy spy satelites won't work, just human intel, the way 
it used to be.

Quick mention about North Korea, who got the drop on everybody. 
Those who see international politics as just a game would say 
they've played it brilliantly. You read it right about them 
hitting the jackpot, with U.S. tax dollars...yet again. 
(Prediction) There will be no war against North Korea.

I trust you didn't use the stones to predict Sunday's result. No 
cheating,..okay?.:)

Marie:  Aside from any alleged Iraqi chemical/biological 
stockpile, Israel didn't carry out a pre-emptive strike on one 
of their nuclear facilities for no reason. If one assumes their 
assumption was correct who knows what the situation could have 
been now if they hadn't have done that. Like you, I hope any 
possible conflict in Iraq should it occur is over quickly. 
Anyhow, all the best.   

The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!

**********************

Iraq under Saddam Hussein :

In 1994, Saddam attempted to blackmail the UN Security 
Council into lifting sanctions by massing his forces for 
another invasion of Kuwait. In response, the UNSC passed 
Resolution 949, ordering Iraq to withdraw its Republican 
Guard forces from southern Iraq.
Not only does Baghdad consider its invasion of Kuwait 
"honorable," but Saddam Hussein has gone so far as to call 
for the overthrow of fellow Arab leaders and to attempt to 
murder the Emir of Kuwait and former president George 
Bush.

  In August 1996, the regime's forces attacked the 
Kurdish-held city of Irbil. Within hours, Iraqi secret police 
had swarmed over the city, arresting hundreds and killing 
scores of suspected oppositionists.

  Baghdad continues to harbor the Muhjahideen e-Khalq 
(MEK), Iranian dissents who conduct a widespread terrorist 
campaign to support their political agenda. In the past, the 
MEK has been responsible for attacks on Americans, 
(including participating in the seizure of the US embassy in 
Tehran in 1979), Iraqis, Iranians, and Europeans.

Saddam continues to attack coalition aircraft enforcing the 
no-fly zones, which were established to prevent Saddam 
from attacking Kurdish and Shi'a civilians, in violation of 
UNSC Resolutions 688 and 949.

 Iraq is capable of assembling its prohibited Al-Hussein 
long-range missiles with key parts known to have been 
stripped from destroyed imported SCUDs.

 Iraq has refused to account for precursor chemicals 
capable of making as much as 200 tons of VX nerve agent. 
Iraq has the know-how and equipment to weaponize VX, 
despite its continuing denials. Iraq continues to deny 
weaponizing VX nerve agent, despite the fact that UNSCOM 
found VX nerve agent residues on Iraqi SCUD missile 
warhead fragments. Based on its investigations, 
international experts concluded that "Iraq has the know-how 
and process equipment, and may possess precursors to 
manufacture as much as 200 tons of VX ... The retention of a 
VX capability by Iraq cannot be excluded by the UNSCOM 
international expert team."

 Iraq loaded VX, anthrax, botulism toxin, and other chemical 
and biological agents into Al-Hussein missile warheads 
and deployed them during the Gulf War.

Iraq loaded thousands of munitions such as aerial bombs, 
tactical rockets, and artillery shells with a variety of chemical 
and biological agents similar to those used against Iran 
and against Iraqi civilians.

  Iraq began playing hide-and-seek with UN inspectors in 
1991. In December 1998, Saddam stopped all cooperation 
with the UN, refusing to let any weapons inspectors into the 
country.
In July 1998, Iraq seized from the hands of UNSCOM 
inspectors an Iraqi Air Force document indicating that Iraq 
had misrepresented the expenditure of over 6,000 bombs 
which may have contained over 700 tons of chemical agent. 
Iraq continues to refuse to provide this document to the UN.

 Iraq has refused to credibly account for 500 tons of SCUD 
propellant, over 40 SCUD biological and conventional 
warheads, 7 Iraqi-produced SCUDs, and truckloads of 
SCUD components.

 In 1995, Iraqis who conducted field trials of R-400 bombs 
filled with biological agents described the tests to UNSCOM 
experts in considerable detail, including the use of many 
animals. These field trials were reflected in Iraq's June 
1996 biological weapons declaration. Yet, amazingly, Iraq 
now denies that any such trials were conducted at all.

In September 1995, Iraq finally declared the existence of two 
projects to disseminate biological agents from Mirage F-1 
and MiG-21 aircraft, yet there is no evidence that the 
prototype weapons and aircraft were ever destroyed. There 
is also no evidence that the 12 Iraqi helicopter-borne 
aerosol generators for biological weapon delivery were ever 
destroyed.

 Apart from one document referring to a single year, no Iraqi 
biological weapon production records have been given to 
the UN   no records of storage, of filling into munitions, or 
of destruction. This is why UNSCOM refers to Iraq's 
biological weapons program   which deployed SCUD 
missile warheads filled with anthrax and botulinum toxin to 
be ready for use against Coalition forces   as a "black 
hole."


******************************


once the back of this wicked dictatorship is broken,western 
forces should have a huge intelligence boost in the war on 
terror. far more than that obtained in Afghanastan.

******* 

Quick mention about North Korea, who got the drop on everybody. 
Those who see international politics as just a game would say 
they've played it brilliantly.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Right on the ball as usual. The U.S. is open for all blackmail 
requests, we'll throw taxpayer money at every problem that comes 
our way! Im vexed! Haven't a clue what "vexed" means but 
nonetheless, thats what I am, well, that and half smashed too! 
LOL!  

The comments regarding voting earlier today hit the nail on the 
head. Voter apathy disgusts me to no end! In the U.S. every 
local election has some VERY IMPORTANT referendums and local 
issues to be voted on. Screw the choice A or B Presidential crap 
for a moment. There are other issues. Things that directly 
effect such local things as property taxes. And it never fails 
that some dimwit at work will pick up my local newspaper 
(without asking) and say, "DAMN, lookie here ya'll (I swear, one 
guy says goofy shit like that), the bastards are raising our 
property taxes again. SONSABITCHES! Then I ask billy-bob if he 
voted against the tax referendum. A simple yes or no on the 
ballot. The usual reply is "it don't matter if I vote or not. 
Uuh-uumm, what refermumdum?"

Bottom line: If ya don't care and don't vote, don't bitch!

Not to worry. These possibilties are well planned for by the 
best military/operational minds in the world. Shit! Just gave 
myself the willy's by typing that! The U.S. alone has somewhere 
between 500 and 700 warplanes currently within easy striking 
distance of Iraq. (Remember, in the Gulf War bombers flew round 
trip sorties from MISSOURI) IF this goes down the hard way, 
1,500 sorties per day will be flown with warplanes carrying an 
average of 8 precision guided bombs. Thats right, up to 3 
missions a day. This is in addition to the 300 to 400 much 
improved cruise missles per day theE.S.D. mentioned above. The 
bombardment will continue for a full week, and it will be a 
fucking bloodbath. Lets make no mistake about that. Lets not 
distance ourselves from the absolute horror and destruction that 
these weapons will dish out. A tremendous number of Iraqi 
civilians are going to die if this plays out. I'd really like to 
see another way, wishfull thinking I suppose.

Yeah the more I think about it, the more I realize that whatever 
Saddam has planned the Military has already thought of and 
prepared for! Just gave me the willies to read that. Yes good 
Lord I remember I thought the Gulf War was bombardment! Ha! We 
are going to make that look like NOTHING compared to what is 
comming! Well its Saddam's choice I suppose face annialation, or 
disarm and NOW! Japan called on all its citizens to exit Iraq 
NOW! And the US put out a "Wardens Alert" for Americans to get 
out of there now also. So it looks like time is just about up! I 
feel bad that those innocent Iraqis will be killed, does anybody 
happen to know the Iraqi e-mail addresses the Pentagon and 
Military overseas are mailing to Iraqis? LOL! 
A special shout out to Spain! You have gotten off your asses and 
arrested more Al-Quaida than anybody else out there! You have 
gotten/arrested/captured so many of those opium smoking morons, 
I have lost count! Thank You!!!!!! At least you arent to 
chickenshit to stand up and fight this war on terror! Unlike 
some of our two faced/er/supposed other European Allies! Again 
Thank You! 

Thank you, I couldnt have named all that stuff if I tried lol! I 
remember alot but not that much! Keep up the good information!!!

theE.S.D.: Regarding the placings, faultless reasoning...all of 
which I agree with, except Spy's!!..WHAT!!..only top 10!..top 5 
at least!!..God..now I'M bitching!! Someone's been hiding the 
ballot boxes. Spy, you've a strong case for court action here. 
Don't worry I'll back you up. I'm serious about this.

One wonders if that was a subtle message from the game's 
designers. Probably not, hmmm..but strangely prophetic don't you 
think? That was news to me, as normaly I don't read the manuals 
which adds to the fact that I'm as bad a game player as I am.

(Apologies for digressing: To the 'heroic' one who plays it, I 
only just...completed it on Normal. If you've ever seen Von 
Ryan's Express, 'our hero' Frank Sinatra in this case, after all 
HIS heroics gets shot in the back trying to catch said train to 
finally escape right at the very end of the movie. Well...that's 
me. After dispatching countless hordes and steering that 
unsteerable fucking jeep, zipping over chasms and such. I hop 
out on foot with a glorious end in sight and get I blown away 
every damned time. Along comes a younger family member, who's 
never played it ONCE, and in front of an appreciative audience 
finds the shortcuts I missed, and BAM!..does it first time 
out. "Hey contratulations!!" I say to him, "..that was really 
well done!". (Fuck..did that piss me off!!))

om/cf: Vexed..I like vexed, good choice. I don't know what it 
means either but it SOUNDS good! Yep, same goes for local 
elections here. If anybody was asked which political party is in 
charge of their local council I doubt anybody would be able to 
give a correct answer. Then they complain when they receive 
their council tax bill saying it's too much. Too bad.

Contrats on the top spot. ;)  

Congrats!!..I meant. (I'm pissed off, but not about your 
nomination) I don't think I've ever sent a post in all my time 
here without at least one typing error in it...

Good day sir. theE.S.D. said they had shown up here once 
again--so, tis Saturday and I thought I'd stop by ta say hi and 
do some catch up.

As far as their (E.S.D.) voting thing went. I'd have to agree 
with most of the rankings. Especially the reasoning for Facts 
Finder. I'd have ta say though that you're my overall favorite. 
But then again I'm bias---- .
They said I was gone most of the year--(true)---and that I 
was sometimes "mean" or "rude".
Imagine that---l.o.l.

Ahh----they brought up the subject of Halo. I've played some 
of the missions in cooperative mode (with the one who's 
now on legendary). I get killed, they battle for a while, I 
respawn ,I get killed, they battle for a while,  I respawn ,I get 
killed, they get killed, I respawn ,I get killed, they respawn, 
they battle for a while,----- So I hone up on my skills with 
Project Gotham---bring my copy over---and proceed to kick 
their alien killing ass.  (I like the New York and London 
tracks).
The designers of Halo probably looked at history and saw 
how some of the worst and longest wars were inspired by 
misguided religious beliefs. By incorperating that into the 
game they have a perfect platform for releasing bi-yearly 
games for the next 1400+ years.

on the first day of the war, Iraq can expect to be on the 
receiving end of 300 to 400 precision
guided cruise missles (they can expect no less on day two). 
this is more in one day than used in the 40 days of Desert 
Storm.
 80% of the weapons used against Iraq in the upcoming war 
will be precision/satellite guided
weapons as opposed to 10% in the last war.  
 we feel that if Iraq should use any desperate means to 
resist this unslaught that Baghdad will face a very real 
possibility of nuclear persuasion.
.................................................................
...Gotta love it. 

So ya think I am just toooooo damn hard headed LOL! I'll tell 
you what, I have weatherd more wankers than any one else!! And 
perhaps had a better time doing it too ROTFL! 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76542,00.html
om/cf
Ad time is going to be usig our Tax money. 


U.K.Citizen
OK
No Prediction until just before the game, just to keep the bets 
fair

"Just go back to Africa, where you belong!"

So what we have here is a severe case of sibling rivalry.  Like 
children who have never grown up, fighting over a toy, except 
now it's oil, or territory, or 'religion'...

Are Osama bin Laden and George W Bush related? Yes, if you 
believe Dr Spencer Wells. 

Dr Wells has found new genetic evidence, based on thousands of 
DNA samples taken across the world over the past 10 years, that 
shows that all humans alive today have descended from a single 
man who lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago. 

On a recent visit to Madurai and New Delhi to find out more 
about the origins of Indian ancestors, Dr Wells said he had 
found genetic evidence to show that Dravidians were the first 
settlers in India from Africa, and the Aryans followed later. 

The experiments of Dr Wells will be telecast on the National 
Geographic channel on December 15. The programme, 'Journey of 
Man', tells the epic story of how humans populated Planet Earth. 
He spoke to Syed Firdaus Ashraf in Mumbai about his experiments 
in India. 

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/27inter.htm

http://www.mdsa.com.au/nationalgeo/default.asp

Merlyn 

we at theE.S.D. feel war is a horrible road to travel down and 
if one can avoid such travels that it would be well advised.
much in the way that you use the "stones" to help you divine 
where the nations are proceeding;we have different but 
similar means. to each his own.
the one major item we understood right away from the 
opening minutes of the first plane on 911;was the long 
overdue removal of the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
we understood that even before;but more clearly that 
day;and everyday.

thus formed theEradicateSaDam:theE.S.D.

peace be with you and yours and may your year be blessed.

That ESD post reminded me of the "12 Days of Christmas" 
song...On the first day of the war, Iraq gave to me..."
figured they have palm trees in Iraq, but just for the heck of 
it went to Google & typed in "Iraq, vegetation", and this is 
what came up.

And they're complaining that the Iraqui's are suffering because 
of U.N. sanctions!

On the first day of the war, Iraq gave to me
A dead bird in a withered palm tree.

Prague, 15 June 2001 (RFE/RL) -- Twenty years ago, some half a 
million people lived in the Mesopotamian marshlands of southern 
Iraq, where the Tigris and Euphrates meet to empty into the Gulf.

Today, 90 percent of the marshlands -- once among the largest in 
the world -- are dry land and much of the land is now salt-
encrusted and without vegetation. As for the population -- 
the "marsh Arabs," who have lived i