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From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: Peacemaker
Subject: American Patriots
Date: Tue Jan 22 01:14:27 2002

Message:
Jesus, that was a long post. It ranges from (what believe to be) 
sincere pacifism - which I respect- to condescension - which 
pisses me off.

Here's what pisses me off.  Look, we're not fucking ignorant and 
we're not sitting in front of 24/7 cable coverage of the "War on 
Terrorism" cheering civilian deaths. We know innocents are 
getting killed. That happens in war. Yes, it's "somebody's 
child,"  same as those firemen and bond traders in WTC were 
somebodys husbands and daddies.  American lives aren't "worth 
more". I don't know anybody who seriously thinks that way. Are 
we safer ? Yeah, I think so.  To some degree.  Are we safe from 
terrorism ?  Of course not.  Should we kill those who would kill 
us ?  You bet. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The 
United States of America didn't ask for this.  We don't like 
having our people in harms way.  And the Taliban could have 
prevented it from happening.  A military response was required. 
But here's what pisses me off the most about your post (and 
again, much, if not most is sincere and I can respect that you 
don't like innocents being killed): The suggestion that US armed 
forces are trying to kill civilians.  We're not.  It does us no 
good to just wantonly bomb the shit out of innocents.  There's 
no military value to that.

To everybody: Look, my spelling doesn't suck.  My TYPING sucks.  
BUt my attitude about that is typically American, you'll be glad 
to know---I don't give a shit.  Spellin' don't count.

From: afroman!
To: peace makers/DONT TREAD ON ME
Subject: every1 thinks he's right
Date: Tue Jan 22 04:59:20 2002

Message:
yo peacemaker,what makes me feel that ur some kind ov a former 
CIA motherfucker man?u know alot about this shit man,although 
the stuff u wrote was damn long but it really makes sence,
if feel that u could get the chance to say this shit on tv,but 
yr afraid,thats why ur writtin it here,some kind of fucken 
conffessions to feel good inside,  what u said aint no ordinary 
people speech!

 and to u DONT TREAD ON ME u ya big fat lesbian bitch,we dont 
have to fuck up another country cause some ov our people 
died,there r so many ways to solve these problems without dealin 
with bombs,so killin those kids r gonna bring the firefighters 
back???????hell NO   yes we need revenge but we shouldnt take it 
the way u want 
and to u Bush this is gonna make other people hate Us in the 
future cause ur gonna stay another 2 years and ur gonna get ur 
ass outtav the white house,will u be elected again?

solve it by makin um like us ,be bettere to the world 
u fucken white goat

sorry usin my kind ov language,i aint no educated motherfucker 
like u peacemakers so this is the only way i can express what i 
got  
peace to all ya
keep it goin peacemakers ,i like ya

ps  take the hatress out ov ya souls
love eachother
love ur country
love and respect any religion that looks for peace no matter how 
others disuse it

         CIAO
TUPAC where r ya man,i wonder what u got to say about this shit 
goin around




   

From: ME
To: MYSELF
Subject: TEST
Date: Tue Dec 11 10:09:18 2001

Message:

From: Get a grip
To: Afroman
Subject: Wasssup?
Date: Tue Jan 22 09:50:17 2002

Message:
Like the lingo..but hey, ya'll got the beat! Know the deal is a 
sand thing and we here jus' figga on it bein a pile and mightas 
jus get back to workin on the kid folk. Raise 'em right and 
feed 'em well and teach 'em peaceful like. Word! 
  He He ...just had to do it............Don't get mad. Respect 
man, respect for you I have! 

From: Americans
To: All
Date: Tue Jan 22 10:58:22 2002

Message:
Somalis are next.  You will have the same fate as the Taliban.  
Prepare for Hell unleashed on your pathetic lawless country.

From: Walter
To: afroman!
Subject: Boomin' Sound
Date: Tue Jan 22 12:38:00 2002

Message:
Hear whatcha sayin,my country you been dissin,
Why doncha shut it for a second an just listen,
Over in Kabul just as the sun went down,
An F-16 sure makes a boomin sound!

A boomin sound,A BOOMIN Sound!
An F-16 sure makes a BOOMIN sound

We know you'd like to crush America's existence,
You talked your shit,but now can you go the distance?
You want to hide,but there is no place around,
Cause those American bombs sure make a boomin sound!

A boomin sound,ya want boomin sound?
American bombs will give ya BOOMIN sound!

On 9-11,you were sure,yeah you were so glad,
thought we were finished,WRONG!and now its so sad.
You found a cave,but now the shit comes down,
A daisy-cutter sure makes a boomin sound!

A boomin sound,ya wanted BOOMIN SOUND!
A daisy-cutter will give ya BOOMIN SOUND!

From: Get a Grip
To: Walter
Subject: Whoa!
Date: Tue Jan 22 15:42:24 2002

Message:
BOom Boom BOOM !!!!!! He He yup.... now yer gettin' it!! 

From: Walter
To: all
Date: Tue Jan 22 17:27:04 2002

Message:
Forgive me folks,now you know why my girlfriend's daughter hides 
her electronic keyboard from me!LOL!!!(But I found it this 
morning!!)

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Subject: Slim Shady ,U.S.M.C.?
Date: Tue Jan 22 18:36:28 2002

Message:
Thanks for the edited version! Eninem may spice it up a bit if 
he covers it. LOL!!

From:
To:
Date: Tue Jan 22 19:26:20 2002

Message:
Mike Tyson is a criminal.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy and.. All the Regulars on here.
Subject: I'm almost speechless!...for once
Date: Tue Jan 22 19:21:18 2002

Message:
Thank you good sir,...tis good to read such kind words. It's a 
mystery how you all manage to put up with ME!!

Guess you've checked out the Lewis/Tyson 'press conference' by 
now, you mentioned the "The price of War" and all that goes with 
it...I know what you mean, but right on cue...enter stage right, 
the call goes out!.."bring on the clowns!"...to put life in it's 
proper shambolic perspective. Messers Tyson and Lewis truly 
deliver...you'd think being trained boxers they'd be able to hit 
each other in real life, but oohh no!..instead all the minders 
get the best shots in, everybody ends up in a heap on the 
floor...and Tyson comes up with Lewis's foot in his mouth...

Ahhh life...tis good. Spy....thanks again.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Get a Grip
Subject: Spock..I'madoctor...not a philospher.
Date: Tue Jan 22 20:20:22 2002

Message:
I checked out that site you suggested. Now be honest..does any 
of it sound like me?...don't answer that! O.K..so I may aspire 
to 'fully integrated honesty' but nobody's perfect. I'm not 
against religion as such, but I am against indoctrination, I 
reckon that's one of root causes of all the mess. If I recall, 
it said the 3 main problems that plague human society are, 
organized religion, big government and personal self harm (both 
phsysical and psychological). I would admit she's not bad to 
look at, but listening to ANY Britney Spears song I fear..falls 
rather neatly into that third category. At the Guantanamo Hilton 
they're going for sensory deprevation...I'd go for sensory 
overload via the loadspeakers with "hit me baby..one more 
time"...day and night...that'd break any man's spirit...then I'd 
really fear for their sanity!!  

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Tyson
Date: Tue Jan 22 20:51:18 2002

Message:
I don't remember his original manager's name but when he 
died it seem Tyson has been a total loss ever since.
King,who always looks like he has hair done in 60 seconds
by licking his finger and stickin' it in a light socket, has been 
no good for him.
Tyson will probably do an O.J. one of these days.


Life tis good-----but it is so sad that too many in this world
are miserable and must project that misery on others.
Leonard Cohen had a verse I always liked:(something like 
this) "You're locked into your suffering and your pleasure is 
the seal".

Oh well----have a good day sir.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Subject: The talented Mr.Walter
Date: Tue Jan 22 21:18:05 2002

Message:
Make way...MC Walter's in da house! Clever stuff.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Subject: Views
Date: Tue Jan 22 22:06:23 2002

Message:
It's a fairly obvious point to make that my personal views don't 
always match the views of my government. In the light of Amnesty 
International's press conference in London today pontificating 
as to what is considered humane treatment, just thought I'd 
point out what real public opinion is at the momemt in the U.K., 
on this issue. The Sky News network has daily reaction polls on 
topical issues, yesterday's being the treatment of the captives 
at Gauntanamo. The public's reaction is gauged via T.V. remote 
(the vast majority of input) and the internet, and was 
approximately 70% in FAVOUR of U.S. action thus far in regards 
to the matter of the captives' treatment. That may condradict 
the impression that may have been gained in the U.S. over the 
last couple of days as to what Britain as a nation thinks. For 
broadly accurate and instant views of U.K. public opinion, 
rather than simply governmental spin doctering or press bias, 
if...of any interest...try out..

http://www.sky.com

Then select the News section. The polls and poll archives should 
then be accessable.   

From: Merlyn
To: Kamp Cuba
Subject: Cry me a river.........
Date: Tue Jan 22 23:01:30 2002

Message:
Is it just? or just a shame? 
These people who play this game.
They talk the talk
Now they must walk the walk.......
 
Cry cry me a river...
Cry a river for me. 
cry cry as you sit in shame for what you did!
No, we have no mercy for you! you kill you cry or you hid! 
 
A crime you say a crime that your people starve? 
and your richest can only hate and kill while they die?
Did Osama use his money to help those dying in the sand?
Does Arafat, Komeni or Saddam? 

No, they bitch and piss and moan, but help....no!
They kill and hate and mutalate! 
Pity for them you ask? pity?pity?
Not from me and not from New York City!

Now we see Somalia! Oooooooo what a crime scene.
Not a soul or a person can say this is right, not one!
Here we come again, but remember son.
We won't give a blink for we know who killed Christ, cutting him 
in the splene!

Cry, Cry me a river, for I cried a river ....over you!

From: Get a grip
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Well...food for thought.
Date: Tue Jan 22 23:06:23 2002

Message:
Made you think.. didn't it? Well here I'm not done yet..
http://www.imbas.org/....sure I've got a million of em. Just 
thought Dr spock was kind of here and there with the last one. I 
know how your country views us, and how many are at odds with 
your own policies. Have you guessed my other identities yet? 
MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm I've given you a clue or two already. 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Tue Jan 22 23:07:07 2002

Message:
Thanks for the link. In all seriousness, I couldnt imagine 
those prisoners being treated too badly. We joke about things on 
this board we would never want as a reality I hope. Maybe a 
release of sorts?
 Anyway, back to this business of war. Somalia seems to be the 
popular choice as the next stop, but how much of that is due to 
the movie 'Blackhawk Down'? My money is still on Iraq, during 
the middle of February with America acting alone, but in 
conjuction with the anti-Hussein Iraqis. Also I predict Turkey 
will play a major roll. Its interesting how apparantly major 
problems in Sadui Arabia have gone by the wayside so suddenly.
 I've been a boxing fan since well before 'pay per view' and 
Lennox Lewis is a champion with class. Mike Tyson is a disgrace 
and should be at Guantanamo emptying buckets. I will say that I 
taped the press conferance ruckus, slow motioned it down, and 
the Lewis straight right was the cause of Tysons head cut.
 

From: om/cf
To: Ashraf
Subject: Trouble in Bankers Paradise?
Date: Tue Jan 22 23:53:43 2002

Message:
ABU DHABI, JAN. 22, 2002 (WAM)--The Armed Forces Frontier Guards 
arrested 30 infiltrators of various nationalities over the last 
24 hours. The infiltrators, who were arrested while they were 
trying to enter the country illegally, have been detained 
pending trial. The move is part of a national campaign launched 
by the Armed Forces to put an end to the phenomenon. WAM/OA-VV 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----
http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=342475053

Dubai-based mafia don claims responsibility 
 
NEW DELHI: A Dubai-based criminal with links to Pakistani 
intelligence has said his outfit was responsible for Tuesday's 
shooting at the American Center in Calcutta and has threatened 
more attacks, an Indian Home Ministry official said. 

From: Walter
To: Merlyn
Date: Tue Jan 22 23:58:56 2002

Message:
Good one!!! All I can say is that if we get a recording 
contract,I get to stand behind the synthesizer......at least 
until I lose a few pounds(a few/haha 20) and get my hair dyed....

From: Walter
To: all
Subject: Ashraf
Date: Wed Jan 23 00:06:32 2002

Message:
I've held out as long as I could,but I'm too confused now...
 I've been around the board for quite a while now,and the only 
times I've read angry words from Ashraf is when someone shows 
gross disrespect towards the Koran,or his religion.Why wouldn't 
he be angry?He hasn't said one single thing against Jesus,the 
Bible,or Christianity,ever.Not even when the same courtesy was 
not given to him.
 I don't know where the information was given that this was a war 
between Christians and Muslims,since the only people who have 
said this was Osama bin Laden and the Taliban,and the Muslim 
people have shown more than once that they're not interested in 
following that agenda,since he verbally attacked them in several 
of his videotapes for not coming to his aid during his personal 
jihad.
 I have to ask:They are NOT believing the bullshit;why are we?
 In my own lifetime,the only group of people I've seen who tried 
to use religion in their own agena of rape,torture,and 
murder,have been the KKK;who insist they've committed their acts 
for God and country.The KKK call themselves Christians.Should we 
hate all Christians because of this?
 Just in case you'd like to write me off as another candy-assed 
liberal(LOL),I think all hate crime legislation should be taken 
off the books:its ALL hate crime:cut the bullshit.Hate anybody 
you want to,just don't mess up them or their stuff:pretty simple.
 Those that want to declare their own jihad,fine,have a good 
time.But the rest of us still believe in America:Land of the 
free.

From: Afroman!
To: Walter , Ashraf & all
Subject: Changes
Date: Wed Jan 23 02:33:44 2002

Message:
we gotta start makin some changes
stop pointin fingures on religions
all a yr eyes an minds are controlled by the massive media
seein what they want us to see

sick & tired of barying the truth,hidding the lies
puttin true heros beside zeros

man this bad reputation given to muslims these days reinds me ov 
black americans in Luthers days
but thanks to the King we proved ourselves part of the nation,so 
u can see now the U.S without blacks is like a black & white tv!-
        Were the ones who givin color to it!


   Did u hear about those fucken K.K.Klans who had there plans?
                    to get all blacks outta their land          
   It aint there land its the land of free's
           tell'm bring yr fucken sister and i'll pay the fees

   Yo Ashraf man-some ar dissin yr religion
        its clear u gotta make yr dissucion
           To work day and night & spread right
      to prove yr religion is for peace no fight
 
 So listen Walter 
                  feel what i say
Throwin bombs will never be a way
 Might be watchin porn! u might be away
But there r victims dying each & everyday

Ooooh maaaaaan i 4got to say
that i should be endin it in yr way

          A boomin sound,A BOOMIN sound!
     Sure when u fart it makes a boomin sound!

         support peace & justice
         not nuclear bombs

p.s 
    Milosovic was surronded untill he surrendered and now is 
brought to justice without one single bomb thrown on Serbia!    

From: Get a grip
To: Afro man, word, religion is just an excuse
Subject: Livin' offa oil too long! Like a baby gettin' his candy took!
Date: Wed Jan 23 09:24:45 2002

Message:
The point to all this is much like a child begging for 
attention. Point is....the US is NOT the center of the problem, 
just the parent or elder expected to "fix" everything. These 
idiots are so lazy, they have avoided progressing, in fact 
denied, flat out refused to progerss with the rest of the world 
society. Now they are generations behind! It will take at least 
two or three generations of constant education and psycological 
development to bring these lazy good for nothing, worthless 
excuses for world welfare, up to grade with the rest of the 
world. In a few words...to them....GET A JOB! lazy piss ant shit 
heads. WE ARE NOT YOUR MAMMA! Fucktwats! Stop hiding behind 
religion and GET TO WORK!.............YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! WORK!

From:
To:
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:
Bin laden is innocent until proven guilty

From: Me
To: You
Date: Wed Jan 23 10:34:51 2002

Message:
Bin Laden is.........























































































DEAD!

From: Get a grip
To: Wanna back out England.....
Subject: Oh sure, just look where the shoe bomber came from! and You want to back out?!!
Date: Wed Jan 23 11:17:45 2002

Message:
Yup, just sick of the worthless and the senseless........ 
England?? HEY WAIT A MINUTE! talk about the pot calling the 
kettle black! Any one remember Austrailia??? MMMMMMMMmmmmm???? 
It was a penal coliny set up by ....England! Like an Alkatraz! 
Just pathetic! I think the Pissy little Talibans shoud be put in 
big hamster wheels, make them generate electricity! If they 
don't run... no food! Just like a hamster! then even the tiny 
little brain matter between their ears would learn...Work = 
food! This would be humane & constructive ! and Hey! I want the 
rights to the idea! So I can retire!   
  

From: osuma bin laden
To: afroman
Subject: hello dick
Date: Wed Jan 23 12:18:28 2002

Message:
what the heck is your problem. were you high when you wrote your 
message. i think so. your message made no bloody sense. get a 
life and quit worrying about everyones else's ans stop telling 
them what to do when you seem confused

From: Christopher Masood
To: UK Citizen and Closed fist and anyone else
Subject: Thanx and Muslims who hate The U.S.
Date: Wed Jan 23 14:04:42 2002

Message:
Hi and thanx to everyone who read my point of view and thanx for your 
replys.
Today i want to talk about Muslims who are not terrorists but hate 
christians and Israle.
In the Quran it says that Muhamed was great but not a saviour but jesus!!!
and to anyone who dose not belive me you must be someone who has not read 
the Quran, it says that muhamed was not a saviour but a person who is a 
prophit and Jesus is THE SAVIOUR.
And why are Muslims ageing with palistines ISLAMIC JIHAD AND HAMMAS,
I mean COME ON THESE PEOPLE ARE TERORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and this one is to a muslim who hates the west!
Do you think Allah smiles at this thing you are doing and did on sep 11th
Whel this might come as a shock but your wrong, you see it may say 
"And fight those who have no faith in god, nor in the Hereafter, and 
(who) forbid not what god and his propht have forbiden and are not 
commited to the religion of truth and so on...."
And when Bin Laden and muhamed atef and ayman al-zawahiri bombed the U.S 
embassyes in Kenya they once again probably killed muslims again so these 
so called heros of some muslims are not wiping out christians they are 
wiping out there own muslim so called brothers and sisters.
And to American on sep 25th you wrote about a girl called christine who 
was 3 and you said allah was $**% well allah is not it is the Terrorists 
who have gone to there so called happy land paradice.
Also i agree with a person named shadow a while back he/she wrote about 
allah not aproving of killing innocent men and women and children, and 
this person knows whats right and wrong and so do many other  people.
and on sep 25th again there was someone called funny girl but she aint 
funny shes a person who takes advantage over one of the worst cisis ever!!
But i can honistly say the attaks was a kind of wake up call to us in the 
west because we were getting relaxed and layed down also the CIA have to 
pick there friends carefully and try not to go for someone like sadam 
hussain or osama.
I dont get it though i have been adicted to drawing wrld trade center 
pictures of sep 11th.   
also to mexican muslims 
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you lot 
think the west deserved what it got well think again!!!!! 
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
must go some  one reply and dont swear or curse!!
from christopher age 12
P:S I WILL CONTINUE THIS SOME OTHER TIME

From: christopher
To: get a grip
Subject: almost forgot
Date: Wed Jan 23 15:23:37 2002

Message:
HEY DONT CALL ENGLAND PATHETIC IF YOUR FROM THE U.S YOU DONT SEE ME 
MAKING FUN OF YOUR CONTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND I DONT KNOW BUT YES GOD BLESS 
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH!!!!!! 

From: chris
To: get a grip
Date: Wed Jan 23 15:29:40 2002

Message:
WELL ITS TRUE ITS TRUE YOU DONT SEE ME MAKING FUN OF THE USA!!

From: chris
To: gag geta grip in other stuff
Date: Wed Jan 23 15:31:53 2002

Message:
DONT YA!

From: Get a grip
To: Chris
Subject: We know
Date: Wed Jan 23 17:00:01 2002

Message:
Yup we know it to be true..but you can't just figure on Tony 
Blair. His polka dot tie has George Bush mezmerizesd! Or is it 
Georges pretzel logic has Tony checking his tie for bugs, could 
it be? Well have a cup o'tea! will ya & chill! I'll send you a 
fith of Jack Daniels & give you some southern comfort. We all 
gotta government or a Queen to keep in check, so what's the deal 
with the Muslims? and yer point of view? must be a few pages 
back. Yer not makin a lot o sense here. We all know the Muslim 
Koran is a crock. We also know that the Taliban named England 
along with America & Isreal.  

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Wed Jan 23 18:17:44 2002

Message:
We all know the Muslim 
                 Koran is a crock.(your statement)

 No,actually WE don't.Most probably you've not read it.Most of 
America,and most of the people on this board have not expressed 
that opinion,so there is no WE to that particular statement.I 
have to wonder what's been pissing you off lately,to make you 
attack our best ally for the last 150 years.

From: om/cf
To: Any & All
Subject: Say What?
Date: Wed Jan 23 20:48:01 2002

Message:
Somalis cheer at 'Black Hawk Down' screening
January 23, 2002 Posted: 12:30 AM EST (0530 GMT)
 
From Jeff Koinange
CNN 

MOGADISHU, Somalia (CNN) -- Somalis watching a bootleg video 
of "Black Hawk Down" on Monday cheered as helicopters crashed 
and U.S. servicemen were killed in the new movie. 
But some audience members had a warning for the United States. 
"As you can see, Somalis are brave fighters," one man said. "If 
the Americans come back to fight us, we shall defeat them 
again." 
Said another, "Let them try again. They'll be making more films 
about us when we defeat them like we did that day."
================================================================
 Defeated that day? Really? The two persons on the capture list 
were captured on that mission. Seventeen of ours to 200 of 
theirs is a pretty good kill ratio. Ask the U.S. military 
involved in the Somalia peace keeping mission and they will tell 
you they wanted to continue on. Bill Clinton decided this 
particular nation building mission was to dangerous politically 
for him. The only person that was defeated was Clinton. 


From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Subject: Koran
Date: Wed Jan 23 20:29:18 2002

Message:
Well.. yes I read it, piss full of hate and bigotry, mostly near 
the end. So before ye judge... And the great and merciful 
Allah...this and that.. to include ... any non muslims will die 
of dasese of the body etc. etc. We will have our religion and 
they will have theirs! In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the 
Merciful. 

"108.1":    Surely We have given you Kausar, 

"108.2":    Therefore pray to your Lord and make a sacrifice. 

"108.3":    Surely your enemy is the one who shall be without 
posterity
And so on & so on, so before you jump all over me with 
your "people on this board" read on......

: there has been a lot of media coverage of recent events, and i 
am left with the impression that an americans life is seen to be 
of huge value. 

: it is a shame that no one seems to give much thought to the 
daily plight of iraqi and cuban citizens living under innane 
U.S. sanctions, or to the citizens of countless third world 
countries being exploited by corporate america. 

: i would urge perspective before patriotism.

And on..........

BUSH'S FAUSTIAN DEAL WITH THE TALIBAN 
Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S.  terrorists, 
destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the 
Bush administration will embrace you.  All that matters is that 
you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international 
cause that this nation still takes seriously. 

and on...... 

It looks as if the war pigs may have taken one up the ass today. 
I wonder how long it will be before they use this as an excuse 
to [further] institute a police state - roll tanks out on the 
streets, storm troopers on every corner, monitor all 
communication and movement - to protect our freedom of course. 
After all, this attack on capitalism/fascism - err, I mean 
freedom - can't go unpunished. These terrorists must be hunted 
down and crucified. Video, slides and postcards will be 
available in the gift shop. Dial information if you have any 
questions. Thank you, drive through.

Yes all "English opinions", and I could drive even more home to 
you. 

If I offended you, think of my thoughts right after having been 
just a few miles from the pentagon when it was hit and see these 
kind of "patriotic" responses. 

I do appreciate your support though.. and make formal note of 
this, hence forth....

so yes "we do know" ...

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Subject: Koran
Date: Wed Jan 23 22:10:51 2002

Message:
Those quotes of the Koran sound a lot like the Bible!

If I offended you, think of my thoughts right after having been 
                just a few miles from the pentagon when it was 
hit and see these 
                                 kind of "patriotic" 
responses._______________________________________________________

 What were they supposed to do?LOL!!! Sounds like you got pissed 
off because you had to take an alternate route.Explain that part 
further,if you will.
 You talk to me as though I think our government has America's 
best interests in mind in their actions.You couldn't be more 
wrong.Kinda funny,because I was going to use the word fascism in 
a post last night,and thought I'd better not.
 I'm personally for U.S. sanctions against Iraq.They have made 
and continue to make threats against the U.S.Maybe,if he gave a 
flying fuck about any of his people,Saddam could do somthing 
economically feasible,like say......watching his big,stupid 
mouth.Seems to be a small price to pay to save Iraqi children,if 
he's really all that concerned.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Jan 23 22:29:20 2002

Message:
When we were bickering back and forth with Haiti a few years 
ago,I watched a newscast from Haiti and the people there said 
they would make our warplanes crash with voodoo!I laughed my ass 
off!Sounds like the same thing in Somalia.

From: om/cf
To:
Subject: When Johnny comes marching home
Date: Wed Jan 23 22:19:13 2002

Message:
Man oh man, did young Johnny Walker look differant in his 
latest photo shoot. Got that beard trimmed back to a respectable 
level, freshly showered and all. Put a suit and tie on him, 
smack him upside the head a few times and he's ready for court!
Standard procedure for a criminal headed to court.
 Personaly, I like the photo with the shit in his beard, all 
dirty faced and the look of 'whoa, I did way to much acid'.
 If his defence argues the point of his liberal upbringing the 
his parents should be charged as well.

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Subject: Dew the Voodoo
Date: Wed Jan 23 22:40:15 2002

Message:
The targets with Osama's head are very popular at the Pine Tree 
pistol range. If voodoo works, he is definatly dead.

From:
To:
Subject: Snip, Snip...
Date: Thu Jan 24 03:07:57 2002

Message:
My name is Adam Mayblum. I am alive today. I am committing this 
to "paper" so I never forget. SO WE NEVER FORGET. I am sure that 
this is one of thousands of stories that will emerge over the 
next several days and weeks. 
I arrived as usual a little before 8am. My office was on the 
87th floor of 1 World Trade Center, AKA: Tower 1, AKA: the North 
Tower. Most of my associates were in by 8:30AM. We were standing 
around, joking around, eating breakfast, checking emails, and 
getting set for the day when the first plane hit just a few 
stories above us. I must stress that we did not know that it was 
a plane. The building lurched violently and shook as if it were 
an earthquake. People screamed. I watched out my window as the 
building seemed to move 10 to 20 feet in each direction. It 
rumbled and shook long enough for me to get my wits about myself 
and grab a co-worker and seek shelter under a doorway. Light 
fixtures and parts of the ceiling collapsed. The kitchen was 
destroyed. We were certain that it was a bomb. We looked out the 
windows. Reams of paper were flying everywhere, like a ticker 
tape parade. I looked down at the street. I could see people in 
Battery Park City looking up. Smoke started billowing in through 
the holes in the ceiling. I believe that there were 13 of us. 

We did not panic. I can only assume that we thought that the 
worst was over. The building was standing and we were shaken but 
alive. We checked the halls. The smoke was thick and white and 
did not smell like I imagined smoke should smell. Not like your 
BBQ or your fireplace or even a bonfire. The phones were 
working. My wife had taken our 9 month old for his check up. I 
called my nanny at home and told her to page my wife, tell her 
that a bomb went off, I was ok, and on my way out. I grabbed my 
laptop. Took off my tee shirt and ripped it into 3 pieces. 
Soaked it in water. Gave 2 pieces to my friends. Tied my piece 
around my face to act as an air filter. And we all started 
moving to the staircase. One of my dearest friends said that he 
was staying until the police or firemen came to get him. In the 
halls there were tiny fires and sparks. The ceiling had 
collapsed in the men's bathroom. It was gone along with anyone 
who may have been in there. We did not go in to look. We missed 
the staircase on the first run and had to double back. Once in 
the staircase we picked up fire extinguishers just incase. On 
the 85th floor a brave associate of mine and I headed back up to 
our office to drag out my partner who stayed behind. There was 
no air, just white smoke. We made the rounds through the office 
calling his name. No response. He must have succumbed to the 
smoke. We left defeated in our efforts and made our way back to 
the stairwell. We proceeded to the 78th floor where we had to 
change over to a different stairwell. 78 is the main junction to 
switch to the upper floors. I expected to see more people. There 
were some 50 to 60 more. Not enough. Wires and fires all over 
the place. Smoke too. A brave man was fighting a fire with the 
emergency hose. I stopped with to friends to make sure that 
everyone from our office was accounted for. We ushered them and 
confused people into the stairwell. In retrospect, I recall 
seeing Harry, my head trader, doing the same several yards 
behind me. I am only 35. I have known him for over 14 years. I 
headed into the stairwell with 2 friends. 

We were moving down very orderly in Stair Case A. very slowly. 
No panic. At least not overt panic. My legs could not stop 
shaking. My heart was pounding. Some nervous jokes and laughter. 
I made a crack about ruining a brand new pair of Merrells. Even 
still, they were right, my feet felt great. We all laughed. We 
checked our cell phones. Surprisingly, there was a very good 
signal, but the Sprint network was jammed. I heard that the 
Blackberry 2 way email devices worked perfectly. On the phones, 
1 out of 20 dial attempts got through. I knew I could not reach 
my wife so I called my parents. I told them what happened and 
that we were all okay and on the way down. Soon, my sister in 
law reached me. I told her we were fine and moving down. I 
believe that was about the 65th floor. We were bored and 
nervous. I called my friend Angel in San Francisco. I knew he 
would be watching. He was amazed I was on the phone. He told me 
to get out that there was another plane on its way. I did not 
know what he was talking about. By now the second plane had 
struck Tower 2. We were so deep into the middle of our building 
that we did not hear or feel anything. We had no idea what was 
really going on. We kept making way for wounded to go down ahead 
of us. Not many of them, just a few. No one seemed seriously 
wounded. Just some cuts and scrapes. Everyone cooperated. 
Everyone was a hero yesterday. No questions asked. I had co-
workers in another office on the 77th floor. I tried dozens of 
times to get them on their cell phones or office lines. It was 
futile. Later I found that they were alive. One of the many 
miracles on a day of tragedy. 

On the 53rd floor we came across a very heavyset man sitting on 
the stairs. I asked if he needed help or was he just resting. He 
needed help. I knew I would have trouble carrying him because I 
have a very bad back. But my friend and I offered anyway. We 
told him he could lean on us. He hesitated, I don't know why. I 
said do you want to come or do you want us to send help for you. 
He chose for help. I told him he was on the 53rd floor in 
Stairwell A and that's what I would tell the rescue workers. He 
said okay and we left. 

On the 44th floor my phone rang again. It was my parents. They 
were hysterical. I said relax, I'm fine. My father said get out, 
there is third plane coming. I still did not understand. I was 
kind of angry. What did my parents think? Like I needed some 
other reason to get going? I couldn't move the thousand people 
in front of me any faster. I know they love me, but no one 
inside understood what the situation really was. My parents did. 
Starting around this floor the firemen, policemen, WTC K-9 units 
without the dogs, anyone with a badge, started coming up as we 
were heading down. I stopped a lot of them and told them about 
the man on 53 and my friend on 87. I later felt terrible about 
this. They headed up to find those people and met death instead. 

On the 33rd floor I spoke with a man who somehow new most of the 
details. He said 2 small planes hit the building. Now we all 
started talking about which terrorist group it was. Was it an 
internal organization or an external one? The overwhelming but 
uninformed opinion was Islamic Fanatics. Regardless, we now knew 
that it was not a bomb and there were potentially more planes 
coming. We understood. 

On the 3rd floor the lights went out and we heard & felt this 
rumbling coming towards us from above. I thought the staircase 
was collapsing upon itself. It was 10am now and that was Tower 2 
collapsing next door. We did not know that. Someone had a 
flashlight. We passed it forward and left the stairwell and 
headed down a dark and cramped corridor to an exit. We could not 
see at all. I recommended that everyone place a hand on the 
shoulder of the person in front of them and call out if they hit 
an obstacle so others would know to avoid it. They did. It 
worked perfectly. We reached another stairwell and saw a female 
officer emerge soaking wet and covered in soot. She said we 
could not go that way it was blocked. Go up to 4 and use the 
other exit. Just as we started up she said it was ok to go down 
instead. There was water everywhere. I called out for hands on 
shoulders again and she said that was a great idea. She stayed 
behind instructing people to do that. I do not know what 
happened to her. 

We emerged into an enormous room. It was light but filled with 
smoke. I commented to a friend that it must be under 
construction. Then we realized where we were. It was the second 
floor. The one that overlooks the lobby. We were ushered out 
into the courtyard, the one where the fountain used to be. My 
first thought was of a TV movie I saw once about nuclear winter 
and fallout. I could not understand where all of the debris came 
from. There was at least five inches of this gray pasty dusty 
drywall soot on the ground as well as a thickness of it in the 
air. Twisted steel and wires. I heard there were bodies and body 
parts as well, but I did not look. It was bad enough. We hid 
under the remaining overhangs and moved out to the street. We 
were told to keep walking towards Houston Street. The odd thing 
is that there were very few rescue workers around. Less than 
five. They all must have been trapped under the debris when 
Tower 2 fell. We did not know that and could not understand 
where all of that debris came from. It was just my friend Kern 
and I now. We were hugging but sad. We felt certain that most of 
our friends ahead of us died and we knew no one behind us. 

We came upon a post office several blocks away. We stopped and 
looked up. Our building, exactly where our office is (was), was 
engulfed in flame and smoke. A postal worker said that Tower 2 
had fallen down. I looked again and sure enough it was gone. My 
heart was racing. We kept trying to call our families. I could 
not get in touch with my wife. Finally I got through to my 
parents. Relived is not the word to explain their feelings. They 
got through to my wife, thank G-d and let her know I was alive. 
We sat down. A girl on a bike offered us some water. Just as she 
took the cap off her bottle we heard a rumble. We looked up and 
our building, Tower 1 collapsed. I did not note the time but I 
am told it was 10:30am. We had been out less than 15 minutes. 

We were mourning our lost friends, particularly the one who 
stayed in the office as we were now sure that he had perished. 
We started walking towards Union Square. I was going to Beth 
Israel Medical Center to be looked at. We stopped to hear the 
President speaking on the radio. My phone rang. It was my wife. 
I think I fell to my knees crying when I heard her voice. Then 
she told me the most incredible thing. My partner who had stayed 
behind called her. He was alive and well. I guess we just lost 
him in the commotion. We started jumping and hugging and 
shouting. I told my wife that my brother had arranged for a 
hotel in midtown. He can be very resourceful in that way. I told 
her I would call her from there. My brother and I managed to get 
a gypsy cab to take us home to Westchester instead. I cried on 
my son and held my wife until I fell asleep. 

As it turns out my partner, the one who I thought had stayed 
behind was behind us with Harry Ramos, our head trader. This is 
now second hand information. They came upon Victor, the heavyset 
man on the 53rd floor. They helped him. He could barely move. My 
partner bravely/stupidly tested the elevator on the 52nd floor. 
He rode it down to the sky lobby on 44. The doors opened, it was 
fine. He rode it back up and got Harry and Victor. I don't yet 
know if anyone else joined them. Once on 44 they made their way 
back into the stairwell. Someplace around the 39th to 36th 
floors they felt the same rumble I felt on the 3rd floor. It was 
10am and Tower 2 was coming down. They had about 30 minutes to 
get out. Victor said he could no longer move. They offered to 
have him lead on them. He said he couldn't do it. My partner 
hollered at him to sit on his butt and schooch down the steps. 
He said he was not capable of doing it. Harry told my partner to 
go ahead of them. Harry had once had a heart attack and was 
worried about this mans heart. It was his nature to be this way. 
He was/is one of the kindest people I know. He would not leave a 
man behind. My partner went ahead and made it out. He said he 
was out maybe 10 minutes before the building came down. This 
means that Harry had maybe 25 minutes to move Victor 36 floors. 

I guess they moved 1 floor every 1.5 minutes. Just a guess. This 
means Harry wad around the 20th floor when the building 
collapsed. As of now 12 of 13 people are accounted for. As of 
6pm yesterday his wife had not heard from him. I fear that Harry 
is lost. However, a short while ago I heard that he may be 
alive. Apparently there is a web site with survivor names on it 
and his name appears there. Unfortunately, Ramos is not an 
uncommon name in New York. Pray for him and all those like him. 

With regards to the firemen heading upstairs, I realize that 
they were going up anyway. But, it hurts to know that I may have 
made them move quicker to find my friend. Rationally, I know 
this is not true and that I am not the responsible one. The 
responsible ones are in hiding somewhere on this planet and damn 
them for making me feel like this. But they should know that 
they failed in terrorizing us. We were calm. Those men and women 
that went up were heroes in the face of it all. They must have 
known what was going on and they did their jobs. Ordinary people 
were heroes too. Today the images that people around the world 
equate with power and democracy are gone but "America" is not an 
image it is a concept. That concept is only strengthened by our 
pulling together as a team. If you want to kill us, leave us 
alone because we will do it by ourselves. If you want to make us 
stronger, attack and we unite. This is the ultimate failure of 
terrorism against The United States and the ultimate price we 
pay to be free, to decide where we want to work, what we want to 
eat, and when & where we want to go on vacation. The very moment 
the first plane was hijacked, democracy won. 

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Anthrax
Date: Thu Jan 24 05:10:42 2002

Message:
http://members.ud.com/projects/anthrax/

From:
To:
Date: Thu Jan 24 08:04:53 2002

Message:
Ashraf is a terrorist

From: Walter
To: gutless/nameless
Date: Thu Jan 24 08:24:49 2002

Message:
You mother's a whore for the Taliban.

From: Get a grip
To: Osama is Dead
Subject: yes I am Merlyn /|\
Date: Thu Jan 24 08:07:55 2002

Message:
Osama is Dead, Been Dead...for a while. Yes, I like the targets 
also. I use such in my tactical pistol range practice. I am 
certified by the NRA and enjoy using the range nearby. Aside 
from knowing the 9-11 event was going to happen, and having been 
able to see the trade towers in my mind during the early days in 
May, just as the terrorists entered the country, I was but a few 
miles from the pentagon, where I live, when it happened. The 
Anthrax was stopped by similar methods to "as you call it 
voodoo" It isn't that hard really when you figure how many 
people were psycologically focused on the event. The recent Shoe 
bomber was also predicted to fail as he did, any of them now are 
easy to spot due to the work done near the end of November. 
Perhapes we also should look at the Austrailia "black 
Christmas" ........ Do you remember Merlyn's predicitons?? Let 
me refresh your memory.

 Prediction, 12/14/01 (Dawn after the new moon)

The next week will bring the message and results of the  Dark 
Cloud 
As you may know the Muslim Ramadan will end on Sunday. The 
coming winter solstice and Christmas will be the hardest time 
known to mankind. The inclusion if India and Israel s 
retaliation bring this war into a stage of biblical proportion.
  Usama Bin Laden is one of several involved in the plot. The 
ringleader is Saddam Hussein. The Traitor is a false prophet, 
telling half-truth. He is correct in his own mind.
The total of  sleepers  in the US will act in the next week. The 
act will deplete all that are left. They will come in the form 
of the horsemen of the apocalypse, martyrs, of walking death. 
   The prediction goes as follows;
>Distant Past, Geofu. (Love)The USA coming together in unity. 
Other countries join us in the fight against evil.
>Past present, Hagaz (influence) Survival and limited, 
restricted success. Working within the limits of survival. 
Dealing with the anthrax and results.
>Past future, Diag. (emergence) rising of the phoenix conquest 
over AlQueda and the army of Usama Bin Laden. Success in spirit 
realm stopping continued anthrax attack and defeating the first 
wave of jihad.  
   
>Present past, Ansus. (message) The prediction and warnings of 
coming  dark cloud 
>Present, Reversed Radaz (unwanted change) problems occurring, 
Need to be recognized as radical change in current situation. 
Need for insight, it is imposed change.
>Present future, Tyr reversed (infliction problem of our own 
demise or making) Attack against US and allies. I believe it 
will be biological and bombs or combination both here and 
elsewhere.

>Future past, Wyngo (joy) The attack will fail, we will secede 
in stopping most of the attack though not all, some will be out 
of our control
>Future present, Jara (change in direction, coming of new season 
and Karma) Retaliation of attack, Just cause and completion of 
cycle. 
>Future, distant future (Lagaz) Bending of the reed. Survival by 
grace. Seeing the tomorrow by flexing and  dodging the bullet  
serenity after the storm. The Mother influence and female 
aspect. 

Advise;
(Thorn)Defend against attack; be at the ready, we will succeed
(Segal) Health and strength, Immediate action.
(Ice) stop of all threat, follow through and connection. 

The result is good, but the damage is real. Be ready. God bless. 
I will follow up on the 30th of December during the final rite 
of the millennium. 
                                Merlyn /|\ 
"Martyers of walking death" sound like the shoe bomber?? 
the "black cloud" sound like the black christmas of Australia?
Even down to the fact that "thay will not succede" Also "a 
problem of our own making"--Reid perhapse?

Yes ... Osama is DEAD.

 "Surely your enemy is the one who shall be without 
posterity"

Here a direct quote from the Quran...any religious book 
including the word "ENEMY" is BIGOTRY! and pure SHIT!

But I will state this again......Thanks to England for your 
support. I just want to know, what is up with the constant worry 
over how the murderous dope heads are being treated? I would 
expect England to want them DEAD! but here we do have a Johnny 
walker and a few from Britan in the mix. It really makes you 
want to go shoot some Osama targets!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 08:37:05 2002

Message:
Here a direct quote from the Quran...any religious book 
                      including the word "ENEMY" is BIGOTRY! and 
pure SHIT!_______________________________________________________

 Are you also speaking of the Bible?It contains the word 
"Enemy"many times.

 I remember when I was a small child I predicted the assasination 
of John F.Kennedy.I pointed to my left big toe,and said 
"Owww"!(the amazing part is that I often referred to this toe 
as"Dallas,Texas")Then I pointed to my little toe on my right foot 
and said"Shit"!(which got me slapped),but the amazing thing was 
that this toe was often referred to as"November 23,1963"!

 There's nothing more entertaining than cloudy,murky predictions 
whose meaning can be twisted and turned at a later date to 
fulfill some bullshit prediction!I Love It!

From: Walter
To:
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:09:22 2002

Message:
Now here's the real kicker.........

After I pointed to my toes,I farted!(farting in our home was not 
called"farting".It was referred to as"subtracting one day")Which 
brings us to the date of November 22,1963!The actual date of 
Kennedy's assasination!AMAZING!!!

From: Afroman!
To: some not all
Date: Thu Jan 24 02:52:15 2002

Message:
thursty blood motherfuckers

and to u who said i might be high

wll ya im high
                    high up yr sisters ass

From: criminal
To: caramela
Subject: crime
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:16:23 2002

Message:
do u know what is the latest top secret infromation released 
from Bush to the CIA?

well look here

G>W>BUSH said that if he catches Bin Ladin he will charge him 
with terrorism!daaaaaa  not only that
he will charge him of the murrdering of John F.Kennedy +Abraham 
Lincoln last but not least Marther Luther King 

From: caramela
To: criminal
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:29:22 2002

Message:
Its strange that an uneducated moron would have access to top 
secret CIA information.Thats whats strange.

From: some
To: Afroman!
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:33:10 2002

Message:
word!An yr mother is bent overy takin it up da ass frum bin 
laden,while jonny walker gits sum a dat stupid bitches mouf

From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Walker wakin the walk
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:35:55 2002

Message:
Walker is appearing in court today which means he will have to 
be transferred from where he is being held. I'll wager that John-
John will have tighter security around him than Lee Harvey 
Oswald got after shooting Kennedy.
 Where is a good Jack Ruby when ya need one?

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:52:58 2002

Message:
The Bible is just as much to blame, for the crap going on today. 
You should look in your underwear for stains, might give a clue 
to where your brains went! Before you piss & moan again, I will 
tell you ....you will get no clue. Have a nice day...Ass hole!

From:
To:
Subject: Osama
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:59:34 2002

Message:
Osama............




























































































Is dead

From: Spy
To: John Walker's Mummy&Dada
Subject: FUCK YOU BOTH YOU PILES OF SHIT THAT COPULATED AND PRODUCED AN EVEN STINKYER PILE OF SHIT WHICH YOU NAMED JOHN WALKER
Date: Thu Jan 24 09:58:15 2002

Message:
Fuck his bitch lawyers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!













John is gonna die in the prison courtyard-----ha,ha,ha,.....

From: om/cf
To: ?
Date: Thu Jan 24 10:02:00 2002

Message:
Remember the band 'The Dead Kennedys'. How about 'The Dead 
Osamas'. Osama may be dead, but he is still wanted 'dead or 
alive'. We need some DNA and there still is defiling of the 
corpse to do.

From: om/cf
To: Johnnys' Ma & Pa
Date: Thu Jan 24 10:17:12 2002

Message:
When you visit little Johnny in prison, and notice the painfull 
bow legged gait, dont buy his horse riding story. Those prison 
boys aint had no Taliban before so little Johnnys gonna get rode 
hard and put to bed wet.

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Osama's DNA
Date: Thu Jan 24 10:24:50 2002

Message:
Osama DNA match  ..You would have to find a match to his DNA, 
perhapse a sample of camel shit might do it! 
  They did cut down all the daiseys in Afghanistan! so he should 
be easy to find, might be scattered across a few square miles. 
Just look for the bits and pieces of Koran!
  Should have called the bombs ...Poppy cutters! 

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 10:42:24 2002

Message:
Maybe you could make a mystical prediction in that area!
What would we do without soothsayers? LOL!!!

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Subject: prediction
Date: Thu Jan 24 11:19:38 2002

Message:
Did I just hear a fart?? yes...... now let's see, Sounded kinda 
wet! That means rain! yup, it's raining. The green cloud went 
East... that means, oh walter it was you! Interesting, you have 
names for your toes? This all might mean something...Let me 
see.. oh yes, right here in the book, by the way it was Dallas 
Texas wasn't it?? Says here you have a future in government! 
 Well you assked.......ya see there is humor in everything!! 
that I can predict. 

From: Get a grip
To: Walters mom
Subject: Jail time
Date: Thu Jan 24 12:11:08 2002

Message:
Oh yea! "our little boy didn't do anything wrong... No We love 
him unconditionally". Shaved and practically bald the Piss ant 
showed up in court today. Momy and Daddy standing by telling the 
press that their son is innocent. 
  In the mean time Afghanistan is back in full swing 
producing.....Heroin in it's raw form..Opium. 
  If that doesn't piss you off... George Bush just decided to 
spend Billions of your tax money to watch YOU! That's 
right "homeland security" brings back memories of the days of 
Russia paranoia. If Bush had just been paying attention to all 
the people, including OSAMA BIN LADEN, telling him we were going 
to be attacked, we could have saved 
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, and in all this he says we are 
getting a tax break? the math just doesn't do it, fuzzy math I 
think it's called. Gotta love our government. 
  Well hey if Enron can do it, why not me!!!!!!! I'll just plead 
the 5th! sorry guys I just can't answer any questions (I might 
end up in a body bag). Well that's just one day.....there is 
always tomorrow!

From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Legally Brainwashed
Date: Thu Jan 24 12:29:07 2002

Message:
"We were troubled to find out that he did not get medical 
treatment until he was transferred to the U.S. Navy ship. He did 
not have medical treatment at Camp Rhino. But John is in good 
condition this morning. John loves America. We love America. 
John did not do anything against America. John did not take up 
arms against America. He never meant to harm any American and he 
never did harm to any American. John is innocent of these 
charges." 

Frank Lindh
John Walker Lindh's father 
================================================================
 This bullshit statement is fucking amazing! He must have had to 
use some industrial strength mouthwash to get the taste of shit 
out of his mouth after spouting that!
 This pitifull excuse of a father doesnt know where his son is, 
or what he's been doing for years but whatever it was Johnny 
didnt do it. I've seen cases of parents thinking their child can 
do no wrong but this takes the fucking cake.
----------------------------------------------------------------

"It's been two years since I last saw my son. It was wonderful 
to see him this morning. My love for him is unconditional and 
absolute and I'm grateful to God that he has been brought home 
to his family, me, his home, his country."

Marilyn Walker
John Walker Lindh's mother 
=================================================================
 His country????? Most Americans who travel out of the country 
do not need to be captured and have their asses dragged back! 
Apparently Marilyn does not read or comprehend the various polls 
done on what Americans think of her wonderful son.
 Somebody please sew this bitch's pie hole shut! Dont worry 
about your son Marilyn (why start now), he will make a fine 
prison bitch for Mike Tyson! John Walker Lindh Tyson. Its got a 
ring to it!


From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Walker
Date: Thu Jan 24 13:30:27 2002

Message:
Why doesn't he just ask Allah for help? He can bend over and get 
all the help he Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds!
Facing east of coarse!

From: Walter
To: all
Date: Thu Jan 24 13:23:22 2002

Message:
"We were troubled to find out that he did not get medical 
                treatment until he was transferred to the U.S. 
Navy ship. He did 
                 not have medical treatment at Camp Rhino.All 
they would do is issue a retard to cast runes for him."



           Merlyn Walker,Johm Walker's Mother

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 13:59:06 2002

Message:
Walter the one who names his toes! and farts.... Damn I just 
heard another one!

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:00:43 2002

Message:
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeee careful bending over Walter!!

From: Americans
To: All
Subject: Drop them a line
Date: Thu Jan 24 13:58:18 2002

Message:
Frank R. Lindh
21 Portofino Rd
San Rafael, CA 94901-4204
(415) 482 - 8618

Marilyn Walker
Auberry, CA 93602-0000
(559) 855 - 7529 

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:01:29 2002

Message:
At least Johnny walker has clean underwear! His mamma cares!

From: Americans
To: All
Subject: Oops wrong Marilyn
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:02:12 2002

Message:
Marilyn I. Walker
110 Laurel Ave
San Anselmo, CA 94960-2108
(415) 459 - 1457 

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:02:27 2002

Message:
Do you get inspiration when you pick your toes?? or do you just 
name them? 

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:04:25 2002

Message:
When your mamma slapped you, did it help??

From: Get a grip
To: All
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:05:53 2002

Message:
You talk to me as though I think our government has America's 
best interests in mind in their actions.You couldn't be more 
wrong.Kinda funny,because I was going to use the word fascism in 
a post last night,and thought I'd better not.
 
Words of wisdom from walter.......Yes we know Walter we know

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:09:05 2002

Message:
If it wasn't for our help you would be speaking German and have 
a swastica stamped on your ass and one for your national 
Flag "SS"

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:14:08 2002

Message:
Wassa matta' at least we have a man leading our country. Funny 
how Ireland, Wales, Australia and so on....Facist?? Mmmmmmmm 
Seems we have a War Monger for an "alli"  Great Britan, can't 
even keep a bunch of Drunk Irishmen under controll...Great 
indeed!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:10:25 2002

Message:
Actually,what I said was"as a small child".I no longer have 
names for my toes,just as you no longer call your 
penis"Mr.Dinky"!
 But I do,on the other hand,call my asshole Winter solstice,and 
now I must fart again.I think I'll call this one"Mystical 
Merlyn"!LOL!!!! 
 Do another phony horoscope Merlyn!I've read your predictions for 
months now,and laugh my ass off every time!Better than a free 
National Enquirer!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:21:39 2002

Message:
Wassa matta' at least we have a man leading our country.

 Yes,if the qualification for being a man are:learning to chew 
your food at 55 so you don't fall down and bust your head.LOL!!
A REAL MAN!

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Subject: All
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:32:11 2002

Message:
There you have it folks....Johnny Walter... He He Ha Ho Oooo man 
sorry boy just ahd to ride the wave! You can't take a joke can 
you?? Let alone just one question about your Queen. Well walter 
we all know where you stand. On the side with the Taliban... Did 
you send Reid yourself?? 
   The soal man! Well just now that I know where you 
stand ...Fuck you! Ass hole! Oh yea you name your ass hole now! 
Ha! Ho whoooooooooooooooooooooo wheee 
GOD BLESS AMERICA! UNITED WE STAND ... with out walter

From: christopher
To: walter
Subject: thanx
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:35:10 2002

Message:
thanxs for backing me up!!!!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:35:24 2002

Message:
If it wasn't for our help you would be speaking German and have 
                    a swastica stamped on your ass and one for 
your national 
                                            Flag 
"SS"____________________________________________________________

 Why,what did you do?Didja flip over some tarot cards?Didja buy 
yourself a miniture Stonehenge,and pray to it during Summer and 
Winter solstice,and declare yourself an"official" Druid?Didja 
build yourself a cute little wicca monument?I thank you,from the 
bottom of my heart,for all your"mystical" help!I feel MUCH safer 
now!LOL!!!

From: the USA
To: Walter/Chris
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:40:25 2002

Message:
Yea we see where you stand! 

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:43:36 2002

Message:
it's YOUR country that has "stone henge" remember?? 

From: USA
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:44:37 2002

Message:
You were neck deep in Nazi shit and we had to bail you out! 

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:46:19 2002

Message:
Yes I know... You are sooooooooo smart, but I made you admit you 
are a fake. What a waste of time, go fart at some one else. Ya 
really make me sick! 

From: Walter
To: Get a grip/USA
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:48:02 2002

Message:
The punch line of this joke is:I was born in the United States 
and have never been to England!I've never posted that I lived in 
the U.K.or anywhere else for that matter!That idea came out of 
your own ignorant heads.I was merely sticking up for a country 
that was and is our ally.And if you could find yourself a history 
book,and actually Read it,you might find that your assessment of 
why we were involved in WWII had nothing to do with what you 
believe.

From: Walter
To: Get a grip/Merlyn
Date: Thu Jan 24 14:56:08 2002

Message:
Yes I know... You are sooooooooo smart, but I made you admit you 
                 are a fake._____________________________________

 Do you mean like posting as two different people?Like 
um.........Merlyn and Get a grip?

From: Getr a grip
To: All
Subject: Sorry walter, just got me fired up, try to calm down. We have more important fools to get mad at
Date: Thu Jan 24 15:02:36 2002

Message:
U.N. Tax Police: On The Beat
Hold on to your wallet. The United Nations is gearing up for a 
ritzy get-together at a Mexican resort to discuss ways to pick 
your pocket. Specifically, the U.N.'s upcoming "Financing for 
Development" conference is meant to boost foreign aid spending. 
To finance their scheme, the bureaucrats want to create a World 
Tax Organization with the power to impose global taxes. MORE 


Distributed nationally on the Knight-Ridder Tribune Wire

U.N. Tax Police: On the Beat

By Daniel J. Mitchell

Hold on to your wallet. The United Nations is gearing up for a 
ritzy get-together at a Mexican resort to discuss ways to pick 
your pocket.


Specifically, the U.N.'s upcoming "Financing for Development" 
conference is meant to boost foreign aid spending. To finance 
their scheme, the bureaucrats want to create a World Tax 
Organization with the power to impose global taxes.


U.N. bureaucrats still believe that big government is a magic 
elixir, whatever the ill. They're peddling the same snake oil to 
the Third World, but their prescription -- more government 
handouts -- is a recipe for failure. And they want the United 
States to pick up most of the tab.


Consider the recommendations of a panel the U.N. secretary-
general appointed to develop proposals for the Mexico 
conference. The panel, which included former U.S. Treasury 
Secretary Robert Rubin, called for:


An International Tax Organization. If you think our tax code is 
a mess -- and it is -- wait until the same international 
bureaucrats who rail against "harmful competition" from low-tax 
nations get their hands on it. Many of these people make the IRS 
seem like the taxpayer's best friend.


Global Taxes. The United Nations wants the power to levy 
worldwide taxes, and the panel identifies currency taxes and 
energy taxes as the most likely targets. Such taxes are designed 
to do one thing: Redistribute income from developed nations to 
the Third World. Not surprisingly, they would hit U.S. taxpayers 
the hardest.


Tax Harmonization. The United Nations wants "information 
exchange," a form of tax harmonization that would let high-tax 
nations impose their tax laws on income earned in America. This 
scheme is supported by an unholy alliance of European welfare 
states and corrupt Third World regimes.


Emigrant Taxes. Last, but not least, the U.N. panel argues that 
people should be tax slaves to their country of birth. For 
example, if a computer programmer from the Third World comes to 
Silicon Valley, the Third World country, rather than America, 
would have the primary right to tax his income.
These proposals may sound too ridiculous to be true, but the 
evidence can be found on the U.N. Web site (links to its report 
can be found at www.freedomandprosperity.org).


To make matters worse, it appears the United Nations is moving 
to adopt these radical recommendations. U.N. officials recently 
released preliminary language they hope will be in the final 
report. They promised to "give careful consideration   to the 
results of the study requested by the Secretary-General on 
possible innovative sources of multilateral finance." 
Translation: Let's hit up Uncle Sam.


The draft language endorses "international tax cooperation to 
enhance the scope of national fiscal efforts," which means the 
United Nations wants to create a tax cartel. This OPEC-for-
politicians might be good news for non-competitive socialist 
governments such as France, but it would undermine America's 
competitive advantage in the global economy.


The report also calls for a huge boost in foreign aid, up 
to "the annual equivalent of 0.7 percent of industrialized 
countries' gross national product." That may not sound like 
much, but it would cause America's foreign aid spending to 
skyrocket, from $12 billion a year to more than $70 billion.
And this doesn't even include spending for "global public 
goods," which U.N. bureaucrats say will require "additional 
funding." They apparently have a limitless appetite when America 
is footing the bill.


The U.N. report is also noteworthy for what it doesn't include. 
The purpose is to boost economic growth in the Third World, but 
there isn't a single mention of the benefits of tax cuts and 
lower tax rates, both of which spur economic development. It 
also fails to discuss the need for governments to control 
wasteful spending.


The report does briefly highlight the need for free trade. It 
even makes a veiled endorsement of personal retirement accounts. 
But these concessions to free-market economics are rare 
exceptions.


And they can't make up for the real problem, which is that U.N. 
bureaucrats are ideologically wedded to a big-government view of 
the world. They want more taxes and more spending, even though 
these policies make it harder for nations to prosper.


President Bush should tell the U.S. delegates to the Mexico 
conference to refuse to sign off on this scheme. If other 
nations want to tax themselves into oblivion, that's their 
business. But leave us out.


###

Daniel Mitchell is the McKenna senior fellow in political 
economy at The Heritage Foundation (www.heritage.org), a 
Washington-based public policy research institute.


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From: Walter
To: Get a grip?Mystical Merlyn
Date: Thu Jan 24 15:06:46 2002

Message:
Please,stop bickering with me,and cast some stones!I want to 
hear more predictions!More tales of the mystical and unknown 
universe!More stuff like:"They will come in the form 
                 of the horsemen of the apocalypse, martyrs, of 
walking death."-----------stuff like that.More "End of 
Days"spooky shit!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 15:13:08 2002

Message:
You want to declare a cease-fire?OK.I agree.

From: Merlyn
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 15:14:47 2002

Message:
Ok,OK, just stop trying to get me to figure out what future 
meanings mystic farts will bring, and for peets sake, put your 
shoes on! Here... let me see....
 Ahh here I see a stone slab, yes it is coming clear now 
Johnny Walker will be Bubba's butt buddy for the rest of his 
life. 
 Oy! gotta bet he wishes his mamma could get him out of this 
one! 
  But here we see in the crystal ball.... More volcanic 
eruptions. Japan sinking into the Ocean.... so much for a new 
Toyota! 
  Oh shit now I'll have some dude from Japan mad at me... 

From: Walter
To: Merlyn
Date: Thu Jan 24 15:25:53 2002

Message:
I hope that prediction is right!But I don't think he's going to 
get life.He won't get off scott-free,but I think that when they 
sentence him,a lot of us are gonna be Pissed As Hell!Especially 
when he starts pulling in all the kinds of money that the rest of 
us will never see,because WE didn't become traitors.Ya gotta 
laugh,because if you really start thinkin about it...........

From: Merlyn
To: Walter
Date: Thu Jan 24 16:15:04 2002

Message:
Well have to boycot his new book... How I fucked the system, by 
Johnny Walker...
 No I don't think he'll get away with this one. My only guess is 
the trial will go on & on for a year. 

From: Get a Grip
To: Johnny Walker
Date: Thu Jan 24 16:33:57 2002

Message:
Hey Johnny, 
  Nice shave, might fool a judge, and your loving parents, well 
I guess someone has to stand up for a trator like you. Just 
where is your Idol...Osama...6 feet under ! 
  OOOOoo my boy never killed anyone, Heeeeeeeeee's innocent!
"you'r either with US or against US"

From: om/cf
To: All & Any
Subject: A little off the beaten path.......
Date: Thu Jan 24 19:34:38 2002

Message:
Does anyone remember when K-Mart spokespig Rosie O'Donnell said
the 80 million Americans who own guns should be in prison? Then 
she pulled a terrorist attack on Tom Selleck on her show, 
because he appeared in a NRA advertisment. It was interesting 
how the anti-gun queen's adopted children were escorted to 
school by armed bodyguards! K-Mart finally canned her fat ass 
after tens of thousands e-mails, letters and phone calls.
 I guess K-Mart picked the wrong 80 million Americans to piss 
off! It may or may not have played a part in K-Marts current 
woes. I sure like to think it did.

From: Get a grip
To: 80 million americans can't be wrong
Subject: Guns
Date: Thu Jan 24 20:42:16 2002

Message:
I am a NRA qualified marksman, combat and tactical. Got 
certified just two months ago. I buy some of my supplies from K-
mart for my small arms. They also sell paint ball equipment and 
air guns & ammo. Must have shit canned the bitch when they 
realized how much money they were loosing. My only complaint is 
that the K-mart is always packed with people. If they are having 
a problem, it isn't here. 

From: om/cf
To: Get a Grip
Subject: Identities
Date: Thu Jan 24 20:42:10 2002

Message:
I saw your post on another board (now archived) from Dec. 31 
from Get a Grip and ending with Merlyn. I never said a word, 
strictly name, rank and serial number.
 Whats up with the British bashing? We got a lot of peacenick 
groups to bash right in the U.S. Some British had concerns about 
prisoner treatment at Gitmo, so what? Plenty of groups in the 
U.S. had and have the same concerns.
 Now I am no Merlyn but I see more trouble than even currently 
exists in the Isreal/Palistine area. I read a report today about 
al-Queda funneling into the area with plans to call it home for 
now. There goes the neighborhood.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Subject: I know you weren't asking me but....
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:30:26 2002

Message:
I think we were both kinda bored this morning,and there was no 
one else to argue with so............LOL!!
 He thought I was British,and I thought he was mystical.
 All I know for sure is that he tore my fuckin shirt,and I bought 
it at K-Mart,and I probably won't be able to take it back!

From: Merlyn
To: om/cf
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:22:03 2002

Message:
Merlyn is an id I use on many boards. Get a grip is normally for 
a more humorous nature. Obvious man even gets to play out a bit 
too, you just haven't seen it on this board. 
  The Brits are a good lot, don't get me wrong and I am a member 
of an English order. The Question I raised is a real one, and of 
some concern even in England. If the population is 
overwhelmingly in favor of the treatment the Taliban are 
getting, why the waffling from their government? Seems just 
raising the issue got the wrath of the dammed headed my way. 
Well as you will see if you aren't raising some critics 
attantion once and a while... you arn't doing anything at all. 
So you see that is what "Get a grip" is for, I really don't keep 
it a secret, but lots of issues I see on the board, and posters 
need to GET A GRIP! 
  Merlyn is really my ID and to be sure I am in constant contact 
with the Brits. They have a strong opinion of americans pro and 
con. and I have learned how to deal with it. But you have to let 
them know you do understand. Personally I am of Welsh decent, 
and that, any Brit will tell you is a matter all it's own. 
  Merlyn is real, yes a genuine Druid of the order. And yes I am 
he. Yes when I bring up these issues I am fully aware of both 
sides. I was really looking for an answer, but I worded it too 
strongly and Walter, not a Brit didn't know, yes this is how I 
knew he wasn't a Brit. 
  But more to the point... yes we have far too many bleeding 
hearts right here in the USA! And I for one, despite my peaceful 
side, think a .45 is all that a Taliban should get. But 
international law has it's pourpose. I was suprised to find out 
how much the Islamic Jihad cancer had infected the UK, just blew 
my mind! If you think USA is too liberal,,, just ask the Brits. 
they will tell you as also in Australia, the problem there is 
much worse. 
   Oy! but hey we gotta have a sense of humor! (Get a grip) if 
we don't .... shit I'll have to just rune everything! He He...

From: Get a Grip
To: Walter
Subject: K-Mart
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:43:08 2002

Message:
I'll get the K-Mart to buy you a new one, Blue light special!
the next round is on me, Jack & Coke? or a beer?

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Subject: Humor
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:47:32 2002

Message:
I was just gettin you into it, the other bords liked the boomin 
post, don't loose your touch!

From: Merlyn
To:
Subject: Prediction
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:49:23 2002

Message:
You gotta admit my prediction did come true.. Muddy or not. 
Walking death. shoe bomber.. now come on ... admit it. pretty 
damn close! Black cloud..black Christmas...

From: Obvious man
To: we'll see ya!
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:55:14 2002

Message:
And by all means, keep it up! Hell that's what my wife always 
tells me, Oy!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip/Merlyn
Subject: I'll take a beer>Jack kicked my ass too many times
Date: Thu Jan 24 21:55:27 2002

Message:
OK,I'll admit the walking death thing.I'm not a disbeliever in 
tarot,runes,and predictions,but I do think that going too far 
into those type of things can be dangerous.Maybe I take that 
kind of stuff too serious,who knows?I've had a 
few"supernatural"experiences that were very strange and that I 
won't go into.Not that I won't tell,but way too much typing to 
tell the whole story.I have read Merlyn's posts,and didn't react 
the way I said I did,but if we were going to"cyberspar"with each 
other,I HAD to throw a few head shots,didn't I? 

From: om/cf
To: Walter & Get a Grip
Date: Thu Jan 24 22:44:14 2002

Message:
Normally I wouldnt have been able to keep up with the match 
this morning but the recession hit me this week, despite 
Greenspan's rosey prediction today. The choice was take a layoff 
or 32 hours a week and keep the benifits and I chose the latter 
so today was my off day. At least its not a Enron, LOL!!!
 I was surprised Nebraska almost ended up a land bridge from 
Ireland to England! Now that would be convienent for the IRA.
 On the bright side of the Jihad, Grip I think your right. There 
are other countries with higher concentrations of Islamic 
extremists than the U.S. has. Belgium, Denmark and the 
Netherlands, with extremely liberal policies, now are full of 
terrorists. Look a the shoe fabricator and his cohorts, they 
knew where to go for just such explosives.

From: Merlyn
To: Walter
Subject: strange happenings
Date: Fri Jan 25 08:29:51 2002

Message:
Well, yes, and we all have some sort of talent. It is just a 
matter of development. It became a matter of seeing things 
happen and eventually having to admit there was no avoiding it. 
A talent can be distructive..or a river of resource if directed 
correctly. It became a real problem untill I learned how to 
direct it. Thus the runes. It is different for each person. 
  We often take our own thoughts as...our own. But in fact they 
can be partly from those around us. In my case I could tell when 
I said something and the person I was talking to would look 
puzzled and tell me that was exactly what he was thinking. This 
happens to everyone in some small amount. One of the teaching 
methods is for the teacher to dream scape with the student and 
relate the dream. This gives an indication of the students 
talent. It was such a thing with my ex wife. Even after she had 
moved to California I could still "hear" her thoughts. When I 
called her telling her I could tell something was wrong, she had 
been in a fight with her new hubby, throwing each others 
computers across the room. I have taught my new wife how to deal 
with it but it still is a problem and that is why I study and 
learn how to direct these talents. More a curse than a blessing 
unless you learn how to excersize it. Rune casting can use the 
energy so to speak and give vent to it in a constructive way. 
This avoids "strange things" from happening un expectidly. 
   Now you see it isn't all so mysterious after all, just like  
any talent, it is 50% talent and 50% practice that makes you 
good at it. Understanding your liniage helps a lot.
         Merlyn 

From: Merlyn
To: OM/CF
Subject: recession
Date: Fri Jan 25 08:47:09 2002

Message:
Yes greenspan has a talent in a way also, but we have been in a 
recession for a decade!or more. It is a class recession, factors 
are involved. In the early 80's many economic factors came into 
play that changed the face of the economy forever. The computer 
age was one of them. Run rampent it is finally leveling off, but 
many other factors are in play as well. My job as a mechanic was 
devalued completely. Fortunately I majored in graphic art and 
was able to change careers. Many were not so fortunate. 
   Merlyn 

From: Merlyn
To: A perspective
Date: Fri Jan 25 08:57:29 2002

Message:
http://luccaco.com/terra/terra.htm
feel lucky.........you are using a computer........ 
On the other hand... we work for a living! 
always two sides.........to every story
Merlyn

From: Everyman
To: Merlyn
Subject: luccaco.com
Date: Fri Jan 25 13:31:54 2002

Message:
Interesting.
Thanks.

From: Merlyn
To: Open Mind/Closed fist
Subject: explosives
Date: Fri Jan 25 13:44:29 2002

Message:
At least now we have the needed info to "head off" the 
Terrorists. Seems we are catching them in  droves now...at the 
store trying to buy materials to make bombs! As I had hoped and 
worked to bring about, the Islamic extremist is both painfully 
visable now and unable to "blend in" & hide. The world has 
become aware of the real underlying problems from where the 
whole thing started. Additionally..they are still pretty damn 
stupid, as Reid demonstrated when he found the swet from his 
body made his "shoe bomb" usless and he was caught trying to 
repeatedly light the fuses. Osama..is dead, but the Muslim 
people are getting the first steps tword recovery and a solution 
to their age old problems that have been holding them back. 
Unfortunately, there are other "groups" with very simular 
problems. The Islamic just happened to be one of the largest 
groups. In my hope for world peace I can only pray we all see 
this..and the Islamic is the first to lend a hand, the rest of 
us are tapped out and will be years in recovery from our own 
problems. 
         Let us "see" clearly, cast out hate, and act in clear 
and honest haste! 
     Merlyn /|\(hey I can dream can't I?)
          May those who gave every effort and thier lives..live 
in our future efforts

From: Merlyn
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Jan 25 14:02:45 2002

Message:
As for Osama....... I hope he likes it real hot! The fighting 
continues. but the religious dictator..is history. May we all 
worship in peace, to the many faces of God, to each of us and to 
all of us in understanding and light. We are all precious, all 
gods children and all on one planet we all call home. It is high 
time we "get a grip" 
          In a word....Peace.

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Walker/Osama
Date: Fri Jan 25 16:19:23 2002

Message:
Judge ordered Walker held w/out bail...guess his folks thought 
he'd get out.  Oh, well...

Osama was quoted as saying, "I love death"...

With a "leader" like that, there's not much hope for those who 
follow.  I feel sorry for the children who have been 
indoctrinated by his forces; I was reading about how he got his 
troops--training children who have been orphaned and have 
nowhere to go as an escape...by the time their in their teens, 
they've been raised w/ the Al-Queda as "family", conditioned to 
a life of hate.

Here's some of the drivel he fed his audience--they'd HAVE to 
have been programmed to believe it. 

"I spoke to Allah this morning. He sends his love to the forces 
of Islam, and eternal vengeance to everybody else. So there."
The bearded one continued: "He also told me that in order to 
continue the holy slaughter of infidels in his name, we must do 
a better job of martyr recruitment. Therefore, we shall "up the 
ante," as the god-less satanic heretics of the West say. Those 
who surrender their lives in the pursuit of Jihad shall receive, 
for a limited time only, one hundred, yes, one hundred beautiful 
and willing virgins, up from the previous offer of seventy."
Not stopping there, the reclusive mass-murderer added a 
surprising bonus.
"Allah has temporarily suspended Islamic law, at least in the 
afterlife. For a limited time, we are offering not only more 
women, but also a vast, infinite quantity of alcoholic 
beverages, or "booze," as the satanic infidels of the Western 
world would put it"
Bin Laden concluded, with a demonic grin, "It should be quite a 
party. Praise be to Allah."

So, what are the chances that he pleads insanity if he IS caught?
Better to let him have what he loves?

From:
To:
Date: Fri Jan 25 16:55:48 2002

Message:
that was "they're"

From: Get a grip
To:
Date: Fri Jan 25 17:57:38 2002

Message:
Hey kid, come here, gotta deal for you...now, go get a girl 
pregant, it's OK if your only 14, really! that's it now you 
qualify, your'e now a member of the "Allah's Jihad Martyr club" 
Here is your first (and last) job! yes you'r going to work for 
Allah! Here strap this (bomb) on to your back. Now run out into 
that crowd of Jews! yes you get to be a hero for Allah, and when 
you get their attention, yell Praise Allah and push this little 
red button. That one yes! that is all you have to do! Ok now go!
(run run run) BOOM! ...splat splat! Great! that was just HOLY!
Hey kid, come here, gotta deal for you..............

From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Ahhh, the fruits of the Jihahahad
Date: Fri Jan 25 18:30:50 2002

Message:
"He often told me that the Taliban's Islam was complete and they 
don't fear anyone except God," said Mufti Mohammed Iltimas, the 
headmaster of the Madrassa-e-Arabia, or Arabic School, where 
Lindh studied until May 15.
Iltimas said the 20-year-old Californian also expressed a desire 
to take four wives, a practice allowed by Islam but discouraged 
by many Muslim clerics.
"He was speaking seriously," Iltimas said. "He is a man and 
every man has desires."

From: om/cf
To:
Date: Fri Jan 25 18:37:54 2002

Message:
Hopefully Johnny will make a good wife for four prison men!

From: Get a Grip
To: Johnny Walker
Date: Fri Jan 25 19:21:49 2002

Message:
He will have an orafice the size of a camel when the Bubba 
brothers are done with him! Oy!

From: Shadowhawk
To: ALL BLEEDING HEARTS
Subject: Diaper Heads in Cuba
Date: Fri Jan 25 20:00:03 2002

Message:
For all the bleeding heart liberals who feel sorry for these 
bastards. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You all go with 
them and we'll see if there's an "accident" such as a 
bomber "accidently" dropping a few NAPHAM bombs on all. Like I 
said, "Accident"! ha ha ha heh heh ho ho ho snicker snicker 
snicker

From: open mind/closed fist
To: All
Subject: New Yorks Finest Firetrucks
Date: Fri Jan 25 20:42:34 2002

Message:
One amazing small town in Wisconsin named Clintonville (of all 
things) proves, once again, terrorism will not work in America.

   http://www.seagrave.com/


From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Puffadelic
Date: Fri Jan 25 21:37:35 2002

Message:
U.S. Warplane Destroys Huge Store of Taliban Arms 
January 25, 2002 03:35 PM ET  
By Charles Aldinger 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. AC-130 flying gunship has 
destroyed a huge store of Taliban arms in Afghanistan's chill 
southern mountains, a sign the U.S. military still has much to 
do in the shattered country, the Pentagon said on Friday.  
  
"PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON"
                               
Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the 
autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Little Jackie Paper loved 
that rascal Puff and brought him strings and sealing wax and 
other fancy stuff.
Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the 
autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Puff the Magic Dragon 
lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land 
called HONALEE.
Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail, Jackie 
kept a look out perched on Puff's gigantic tail.  Noble Kings 
and princes would bow whene'er they came, pirate ships would 
lower their flag when Puff roared out his name.
Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the 
autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Puff the Magic Dragon 
lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land 
called HONALEE.
A dragon lives forever, but not so little boys painted wings and 
giant's rings make way for other toys. One grey night it 
happened Jackie Paper came no more and Puff that Mighty Dragon, 
he ceased his fearless roar.
His head was bent in sorror, green scales fell like rain, Puff 
no longer went to play along the cherry lane.  Without his life-
long friend, Puff could not be brave so Puff that Mighty Dragon 
silently slipped into his cave.
Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the 
autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Puff the Magic Dragon 
lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land 
called HONALEE


From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Arafart......excuse him
Date: Fri Jan 25 23:46:10 2002

Message:
Arafat is trapped, penned in, and amazingly no Arab country is 
coming to his aid. Egypt wants their Harpoon missles from the 
U.S. All the Arab countrys have their own agendas and they dont 
include Arafat and Palestine. No Arab leader has even phoned 
Arafat for 5 weeks. Egypt is pissed at Arafat because the U.S. 
has presented the evidence of PLO involvement in sneaking the 
ship full of arms thru the Suez Canal.
 Arafats days are over, and there is no leader among the 
Palistinians to take over other than a Hamas leader, and most of 
them are dead. The Palistinions need to face the fact that 
Arafat screwed them and led them down the wrong path. Find a 
leader who will embrace peace and you will see Sharon go away 
also. 

From: Ashraf
To: om/cf, Walter & Afroman..
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Jan 25 23:57:25 2002

Message:
Thanx for your posts..

om/cf:
I've never heard of this in the UAE.. It is sincerely a very 
peaceful country, with almost no criminal record.. one of the 
safest countries in the world.. Infiltrators are common though.. 
And about the Dubai based Mafia, that, I can definetly tell you, 
is a rumour.. But thanx for the info bro..

Walter:
Thanx for your words bro.. Bro I say, even though we are of 
different religions, cultures, countries, ideologies, but not so 
different when it comes to diferrentiating between right and 
wrong.. You are an honour to your country, and so you shall 
remain to be..

Afroman:
I thank you for your words..
coz they ryme..

Not just in the letters..
but in the mind..

Being black is one thing..
a Muslim is another..

So picture being Black, a Muslim..
and an Arab man brother..

Peace..

From: Obvious man
To: Ashraf
Date: Sat Jan 26 10:27:59 2002

Message:
Black, Muslim, Arab? does that mean I can be a White, Islamic, 
Buddhist? Wait a minute... no I want to be a Yellow, hispanic, 
Jew! ... Or wait how about a Red, African, Mexican, Jewish, 
Islamic, pagan!   No I think I am gonna be a Palistianian, Zen, 
Hari Chrisna, Christian! that's it! Ohhhhh I,m all confused!
  Gotta love it! Had to see some humor in this... Really! 
You are right Afro man's got rythem!  
Just take a listen to the new Afro-Celt sound system! No it 
really is a good band! check Amazon .com!  

From: om/cf
To: Ashraf, U.K.Citizen and Walter
Date: Sat Jan 26 10:30:26 2002

Message:
Ashraf:
 I try to get news from many different scources. My theory is 
kind of like the way an investigation is approached. You listen 
to all sides, all witnesses and somewhere in the middle is as 
close to the truth as your going to get.
 As an example in the U.S.: Last week a student went on a 
shooting spree at a law school in Virginia. Out of 280 stories 
written on the crime only 4 mentioned truthfully the way in 
which 3 other students subdued the shooter. Two of the students 
ran to their cars, retrieved their pistols, went back into the 
school, pointed the pistols at the shooter at which point he 
dropped his weapon and gave up. A third unarmed student tackled 
the man at that point. The liberal anti-gun American press could 
not let it be known that legally owned fireams, in the hands of 
ordinary citizens, saved lives that day.

U.K. Citizen:
Quite the weather your having over there this weekend. Not to 
make you jealous or anything but........its going to be almost 
60 degrees and sunny today 90 miles east of Chicago. This winter 
has been the mildest I've ever seen here. A freind bought a new 
snowmobile and whew! is he pissed at mother nature.

Walter:
Your about the same latitude, strangely mild winter there too?

From: HD RIDER!
To:
Date: Sat Jan 26 11:29:08 2002

Message:
It is 65 & sunny, going on a ride on my Harley Davidson! All 
afternoon, In January! Next week it will be winter again, go 
figure! 

From: om/cf
To:
Date: Sat Jan 26 11:47:29 2002

Message:
What was it those treehuggers were bitchin about a few years 
back? Greenhouse effect. I like the warmer temps!
 Wait a minute. What was the downside again? The polar ice caps 
melting and flooding the Earth.
 Now that would sure solve a lot of the worlds problems. Anybody 
seen the movie 'Waterworld'.

From: Curious
To: HD RIDER!
Date: Sat Jan 26 13:51:04 2002

Message:
When you're thru racin' with the wind,let us know if you've a 
bird o' prey emblazoned on your machine,enjoy your day... 

From: HD RIDER
To:
Date: Sat Jan 26 14:44:32 2002

Message:
No birds, Tribal art! 6 speed 93 cu.in. stroker , ported staged 
and pushing 96 hp Chrome and more chrome on red with marble 
under Kandy. 80 spoke chrome wheels, fully extended hydraulic 
controlls. Microprocessor twin coil four plug ignition, digital 
tach & speedo multifunction instrumentation. Kandy over silver 
red engine and trans case, has over 60,000.miles on it, still 
looks new. It makes a BMW look like a blender on frappe' and the 
rice sit still & drool! Each panel is intracately detailed 
illustration of fantisy art, Paint alone is over $10,000.00
Been as far north as Toronto Canada, Ducati's melt with envy and 
the rest can't compete, Gotta go..............

From: om/cf
To: All
Subject: Free John Walker
Date: Sat Jan 26 16:38:52 2002

Message:
Oh boy! Ya just knew it would happen. There is a 'free Johnny' 
internet petition. You can view the signatures and comments of a 
whoping 47 people, Pay particular attention to the names and the 
comments of number 47. He He Heeee!

http://www.petitiononline.com/abdunnur/petition.html 


From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Date: Sat Jan 26 16:57:56 2002

Message:
If they free Johnny walker let me know... I need some good 
target practice! He is in a jail near me! I'll let Shadowhawk 
know! He'll want to get a few shots in!

From: Spy
To: om/cf
Subject: #50
Date: Sat Jan 26 17:50:33 2002

Message:

From: om/cf
To: Spy
Date: Sat Jan 26 19:10:00 2002

Message:
He Heee Heeeee! Oink Oink indeed.

From: SHADOWHAWK
To: ALL
Subject: TARGET PRACTICE
Date: Sat Jan 26 23:36:05 2002

Message:
YES, I'LL DEFINTELY WANT SOME TARGET PRACTICE! OOOOOOOPPPPPPPPS! 
I DIDN'T MEAN TO BLOW HIS FUCKING HEAD CLEAN OFF HIS FUCKEN 
SHOULDERS. HA HA HA I MUST'VE SNEEZED WHEN I SQUEEZED THE 
TRIGER. HE HE HE SNICKER SNICKER SNICKER SEIMPRE FI
SHADOWHAWK

From: Shadowhawk
To: Get a grip
Subject: petition
Date: Sat Jan 26 23:36:05 2002

Message:
I think you'll like the comments from #60. #47 very appropriate 
but I think #60 is even better. Yes, need the target practice.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open Mind/Closed Fist
Date: Sat Jan 26 22:51:56 2002

Message:
Yeah...things were a little stormy for awhile, weather was a 
little rough too. The count for British al-Qaeda fighters held 
captive has risen to 8, among them are white, black and 
asian/middle eastern individuals, with yet more on the way. An 
archived public opinion poll (now gone) from a week or so ago, 
stated 77% in favour of the way the captives were currently 
being treated in Cuba. Seems like this 'prisoner of war' issue 
still has to run it's course, what with Straw and Powell on one 
side, Cheney and that snappy dresser Rumsfeld on the other. A 
vocal section of the British legal system and some Governmental 
officials and their immediate families, want to have the 
captives tried in an English court of Law. As far as most of the 
rest of Britain is concerned, the U.S. can keep them...we don't 
want them. The way things are going though, we'll probably get 
them anyway.

Perhaps that friend you mentioned shouldn't feel too despondent, 
there could an outside chance for a test drive...by mid-week. 
Then again back in '87 I watched a weather forecast one evening, 
during which the forecaster replied to a viewers phonecall thus;
"Received this from a Mrs Smith who asked is there a hurricane 
on the way?....well (smug laughter)..Mrs Smith don't worry, no 
chance of anything like that hapening madam". Naturally, 5 hours 
later southern England was hit by 100mph plus winds for 6 
hours...never really trusted forecasters after that. 
        

From: Ashraf
To: Obvious man
Subject: ...
Date: Sun Jan 27 00:42:50 2002

Message:
I am a Sudanese. Sudan is the largest Arab 
(that's where the Arab blood comes from),  
country in Africa, 
(that's where the colour comes from)
in fact, it is the largest country in Africa as a whole.
Sudan is 80% Muslim,
(that's where the Muslim bit comes from) 
15% Christian & 5% other religions.. 

I'd like to see a Black, Jewish Palestinian.. if you can be one..
lol..

Thanx for the band name.. I'll check it out.. 

Peace..

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To:
Date: Sun Jan 27 00:58:12 2002

Message:

From: DON'T TREAD ON ME
To: Everybody. I guess
Subject: Stuff
Date: Sun Jan 27 01:19:38 2002

Message:
You really think UBL is ded, Merlyn ? I dunno.

Comes now, the Afghanis.  Seems like latest devasting raid by 
our special forces got--you guessed it-- the "wrong people". 
Explanation ? One faction gave our guys bogus info about a rival 
faction which was only trying to HELP collect guns from the 
Taliban.  they weren,'t really Taliban.   BULL.  SHIT.  

It's 100 virgins for martyrdom now ?  That wasn't  ablue light 
special was it ?

UK Cit. raises a point. What do we do with these guys if theeir 
countries won't take 'em back ?   I guess they will.  We can 
always use diplomacy. Say "Hey, take this guy off our hands and 
blow his brains out, huh ? 

I've never gotten all worked up about this Walker guy.  What a 
pathetic excuse for a person. Don't get me wrong.  He should be 
punished.  I just would like to see the govmint prove its case 
in court, rather than on TV.  If they do, and the guy gets life, 
well... that's life.

As far as his mother is concerned, of course she "loves him 
unconditionally."  If one of my kids fucks up, I'll stick right 
with him/her until they slam the jail cell door.  And I'll visit 
thereafter. And still love the kid. That's one thing.  Where I 
have a problem is more with the father. "John loves America.  
John never did anything, blah, blah, blah" How the fuck does he 
know ?  This guy wasn't really even a part of the fuck-up's 
life. Nobody was even using this guy's last name.  What's sauce 
for the goose, eh, Mr. Lindh (what's with that spelling ?he 
silent "e", but I musta missed the class on the silent "H"). Let 
the case be proven--or not--in court. Meantime, you and 
Ashcroft  shut up. Hey, at least Marcia Clark isn't prosecuting 
the case.

From: J. Walkers friend
To: all
Subject: what did he do?
Date: Sun Jan 27 06:34:45 2002

Message:
Can anybody explain to why all this hatress to J.W?
i hope the answer wont be cause he joind Taliban

From: EUROPE
To: American soldiers
Subject: Fascism
Date: Sun Jan 27 07:41:43 2002

Message:
BUSH: you are killing many innocent, and you we will be 
judged and condemned in a Criminal Court, like Pinochet.

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Jan 27 09:24:25 2002

Message:
It took me by suprise when Powell took a different stance. I 
dont know if its actually different or that he would like to see 
a little more definition to whats going on with these detainees.
Come on now! If some are British, you have to take them back. If 
my neighbors dog gets loose and I find him in my yard, Im 
marching him right back home! LOL!
 Weathermen: Its the only job where you can be wrong 50 percent 
of the time and keep your job!
 Breaking News: Another bomb belt attack in Isreal. Many wounded 
and dead.

From: om/cf
To: J. Walkers only friend
Subject: Four of a kind
Date: Sun Jan 27 10:15:25 2002

Message:
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/terrorism/uswlindh11502cmp.html

Read em and weep, bitch.

From: Merlyn
To: Bush
Date: Sun Jan 27 11:02:01 2002

Message:
Hey Bush! Skip the ceremony, hang the fucker & move on! And 
another thing, trust a lier once, shame on him, do it twice..
Go figure! Let the Marines DO THEIR JOB and come home. This 
isn't a fucking video game! 
            Nuff said. /|\

From: American Marine
To: Europe
Subject: Deaths of innocents(?)
Date: Sun Jan 27 11:12:19 2002

Message:
What about the innocents that were murdered in NYC, PA, and the 
Pentagon? Next time Europe gets attacked have the Taliban rescue 
your misaerable asses, because I certainly won't want to save 
your fucken ass.

From: Everyman
To:
Subject: Let it snow!
Date: Sun Jan 27 12:52:00 2002

Message:
Snowing here.  With any luck we'll get a snow day tomorrow...

From: om/cf
To: Everyman
Date: Sun Jan 27 15:09:42 2002

Message:
Snow? What is this snow you speak of?

From:
To:
Date: Sun Jan 27 15:14:06 2002

Message:
Arafat is a deadman.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Sun Jan 27 15:37:02 2002

Message:
Gettin ready to go to the Mall.......no coat.....a 
sweater.....in January.............happy global warming!

From:
To:
Date: Sun Jan 27 16:36:51 2002

Message:
PLEASE FORWARD

Many people active in internet political activities, including 
discussion boards relating to Mumia Abu-Jamal, are aware of an 
articulate young anarchist known as "Antigovernment"  or AG.  AG 
hosts (or hostED) a radical anti-system organizing website known 
as RAISE THE FIST.com.  (AG was a regular poster on the ratm.com 
bulletin board system.)

Yesterday the FBI, Secret Service and LAPD raided the home of 
AG's relatives, rousted AG from bed, and ransacked his bedroom, 
seizing his computers and shutting down the site!

This internet censorship comes in the wake of the Secret Service-
prompted shutdown of the RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE.com  message 
board several days after 9/11.  (Interestingly, posts by AG 
there were used as part of the pretext for THAT action by the 
SS.)

This seems to be the opening round of a serious and methodical 
attack on websites critical of government policies, especially 
those which challenge the legitimacy of the government itself.  
Be prepared.

So far this has only been reported on independent media sites.  
A link to the account on the L.A. site follows:     
http://la.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=14386

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Please Forward
Date: Sun Jan 27 19:09:31 2002

Message:
Revolution
(John Lennon, Paul McCartney)
Lead Vocal: John Lennon

You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out

Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We don't love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait

Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright, al...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright

Alright, alright
Alright, alright
Alright, alright
Alright, alright

From: om/cf
To: Please Forward
Date: Sun Jan 27 20:40:55 2002

Message:
Maybe AG's relatives where sick and tired of the freeloading 
bastard and turned him in. Rousted from bed! LOL!!! Ransacked 
his bedroom? Wait a minute {Im picturing it), L...O....L!!!!
 

From: om/cf
To: Spy & Shadowhawk
Date: Sun Jan 27 21:28:23 2002

Message:
I was waiting for #69. Vote early and often, thats my policy. 
Heee Heeee!

From: Get a Grip
To: Web sensorship
Date: Sun Jan 27 21:29:58 2002

Message:
There was a harry potter book burning party sponsored by a 
Christian church recently, said it promoted Witchcraft. Funny, 
the Christian communoin is supposed to resemble drinking Blood 
and eating flesh! Mmmmmmmmm talk about the "POT" calling the 
Kettle black! 
  If free speach becomes slander is it still "free?" and where 
do we draw these lines? Is it fair to take a computer, or just 
the program on it? Is it like cutting out his tong? Or do they 
just lock him up?
  When we display info on how to build nuclear bombs .... but 
cannot say what we feel , what practical sense is there in the 
issues of protection. 
  Sounds like the closing of the door & locking it after the 
horse is stolen. .......... Just my "opinion" So come & get me! 

From:
To:
Date: Sun Jan 27 21:27:02 2002

Message:
On Thursday, January 24th, around 4pm, the Los Angeles FBI 
served a search warrant to the owner of anarchist website 
raisethefist.com. The search warrant was based on charges 
around "computer fraud and abuse" as well as "distribution of 
information related to explosives, destructive devices, and/or 
weapons of mass destruction." When asked if they had raided 
raisethefist.com, FBI spokesperson Cheryl Mimura from the FBI 
Los Angeles Field Office confirmed that it "was shut down." The 
warrant was served by the Los Angles Task Force on Terrorism, 
but the FBI denies that this warrant is related in any way to 
the September 11th attacks. Ms. Mimura could not confirm that 
law enforcement entered raisethefist.com owner's house 
with "machine guns, shotguns and hand guns" as reported in the 
original notice about this raid, found here:

From:
To:
Date: Sun Jan 27 21:53:34 2002

Message:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/01/114428.php 

sf.indymedia.org/


From: om/cf
To: ?
Date: Sun Jan 27 22:26:06 2002

Message:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/01/114583.php

 A perfect example of why you keep a minimum of two backups. One 
onsite for convienence. One offsite in case of fire or other 
disaster.


From: Fact Finders
To: All
Subject: Women getting involved
Date: Sun Jan 27 22:33:45 2002

Message:
Now the women is getting involved. First time we heard of a 
women suicide terrorist. I thought that the men treat them like 
shit in Afghanistan. These wome